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Sacro_Porgo 
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It's interesting. The only thing about it I really enjoy is how Muse is at a four way crossroads.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Posted: April 21 2021 at 10:08 |
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Yes indeed, we who lived through that era (I was a teen in the 1970's) will always have a different perspective as it consumed our lives, and we bought the albums, went to the gigs, read the music publications of the day, etc. Younger people (who weren't even born before 1980) who are discovering the genre for the first time will pick up what music history they can (possibly from sites such as this), and have quite a different perspective on it all.
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Hi, I think, that many of us that are older, would likely come up with something that is very different ... many of us heard Miles, and saw many others at that time, whose strength was incredible and it went on to help further a lot of music around the world ... not that it wasn't already happening ... I really think that Miles helped put a face on it, and it was already there, ignored by record companies because many folks were black! One can not ... create these things, without a history, and a more inclusive history ... not just a history that lasts a total of 20 years ... and dies out ... our music now has at least almost 60 years of life ... and it is scary when it is reduced to just a few years ... and it makes it easy to say that there is a serious lack of educational knowledge that would help the chart and the discussions ... beyond the social media styled comments, of course ... that don't belong in the history!
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Exactly how I feel. It would be an endless argument, lasting a few generations.
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Ask 10 prog heads to draw up a 'prog family tree' and you'll end up with 10 quite different charts and a hundred heated discussions!
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A valiant effort, despite all the criticism launched against it. I would add the Moody Blues as the foundation of Pop Prog, instead of Alan Parsons' Project. I understand how such categorization is useful and helpful, but people tend to get too wrapped up in doing so, since we are dealing with after-the-fact definitions.
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Isn't the Pete Frame family tree just about who played with who at what time? - rather than what the music actually sounded like....
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Pete Frame’s family trees started off in ZigZag magazine in the early 70’s
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Hi, As can be seen by so many of the posts on PA, I'm not sure that a "nice" family tree makes sense, specially when things are so different between America and England ... where the tree would not satisfy the many ranges and differences. In my silly way of seeing (you know the old geezer's way!), this is what you get as an example of someone that is not aware, or considering the history of a lot of the music ... it's a chart BASED ON NUMBERS and the "top bands", and as such it really leaves behind many of the other originals that deserve to be there, that were left behind, since the person putting it together, despite the well meaning desire for it, did not have the ability to see the history, and how/when it all came about ... it's still thought by many of the folks that post here, that it all came from an album or two ... and we all KNOW that not only would not be possible, it is virtually unlikely to happen ... (I call this the Adam and Eve Theory by the way ...!!!  )I don't mind these things, but the older I get, the more I seem to notice the lack of ability to see the history of the music as an important factor in the creativity ... and seeing SF, NY, Chicago and other areas pretty much ignored is scared ... and difficult!
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AWESOME!!!     And, where's the "Drugs" category? P.S. If you think Prog could have/would have happened without the western mind being exposed to Indian music through the American and European tours of Ali Akbar Khan starting in 1955, and Ravi Shankar starting in 1956--not to mention the influence of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Transcendental Meditation (1959+)--as well as the legacy set down by John Coltrane's post-1963 production, you are vastly under-prog-educated. |
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It's perfect in the sense everyone will have a problem with it, which is all part of prog head psychology lol.
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Interestingly, most of the folks once shared a flat in London!
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As incomplete as it is, I'm still impressed with the number of bands listed, as well as listing certain bands more than once if they cross into other styles, or exist in multiple time periods.
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I think maybe the Harmony Encyclopedia of Rock. I discovered some prog bands that way. I think his family trees showed up in other places though. The one at the top of this page I think is from the progressive rock files book by Jerry Lucky. However, I don't think that one was done by Pete Frame(I could be wrong though).
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Posted: April 19 2021 at 19:20 |
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Bottom line is if it's not done by Pete Frame it's probably garbage.
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Posted: April 19 2021 at 17:11 |
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I would read it WH Smith |
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Posted: April 19 2021 at 15:49 |
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I guess there are a few DNA mismatches to be found.
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