The Beatles. Here. Why?

...you're still missing the point but it's okay.

i understand you don't like the beatles being here and that's just hunky-dory.

but not reason to throw things in my face.

they are here adn here to stay, whether or not you or i agree/disagree with them being here.

so on that note i'm not going to post in this useless thread anymore.

adios.

moonlapse wrote: king volta wrote: wow this things still going on...what a waste of people's time. Oh My God The Beatles Are Here! Let's make a huge deal about it... ALTERNATIVE: Have an open mind: accept what the collabs have done and move on with your life...iif it really does bother you that much than leave. Cool off and return if you feel like it. But please don't waste mine and others time clogging up the forums trying to make a non-existant point. Why are you so upset? They added them to proto-prog at least--which is NOT progressive rock as we consider it, but rather music that strongly influenced/was related to progressive rock and if you don't think teh beatles belong there than you need to listen to their proggier albums (i suggest the white album) and get yourself straight... Yes, have an open mind.  Never disagree with anything the collabs, or anyone else for that matter does.  Get on with your life.  And when Zeppelin, the Boring Stones etc. get added, deal with it. For you are a prog fan, and you are open-minded.  You may not disagree with anything. Who really cares if the Beatles influenced prog.  Did anyone influence the Beatles?  Maybe they should be here too.  And whoever that band is, well of course someone else influenced them so to be complete we should add them too.  So Bach, Beethoven - let's add 'em!!!  Now!!!  Hey, they did influence Symphony X didn't they??? Really, adding the Beatles is hilarious.  What a joke

way to turn my point inside out...perhaps i'd do teh same to you and make you feel like a dumbass if i felt up to it.

and i'm not a mean person.

i will say that what i meant by "have an open-mind" was to accept that they are here for reason.

and when i said "deal with the collabs decision" that's exactly what i meant. approach their decision (which i doubt they will change just because you don't agree with it) with a more open-mind--form their side of the spectrum.

they had a choice to make, and this was their decision, accept this decision with an open-mind as to why it was made. i'm not saying, as you put it, be a conformist and accept everything that's done on this site no matter what. i assure i disagree with some aspects of the site, but you don't see me whining  about them do you? no.

you know why? because i feel there are betters things to do, and music to discover. whether or not you feel the same is, of course, up to you.

What is the whole problem with Beatles? Tons of non-prog bands are being added to Prog Metal, Experimental/Space Rock, RIO, Art Rock and no one complains. Just because major rock acts like Beatles, Deep Purple, Queen are added, people start saying lots of nonsense things about progressive, prog rock and etc.

Search any progressive rock site on the Internet and read about Beatles, as influences, as the first prog albuns in history, etc. Read the liner notes of the reedition of Shades of Deep Purple and see that they were called progressive at the time.

The general definition of progressive rock isn´t songs with lots of signature changes. So if there are people on this site thinking so, you are wrong. Lots of bands being added here that have nothing to do with the bands always recognized as progressive rock are acclaimed because the guitar player changes from 9/8 to 8/8 to 7/8 (mostly because he can´t keep the signature at 8/8. I do the same, but my guitar playing can´t be considered progressive) and The Beatles and many more bands (like The Nice, Procol Harum, Moody Blues) called proto-prog, which to someone means that they are not prog. They at least are much more closer to progressive major acts such as Yes, Genesis, ELP, Pink Floyd, (and if you want, can add the new ones like Spocks Beard, Flower Kings, Dream Theater, etc.) etc than hundreds of bands.

It is worse to see bands like Supertramp as prog related were they are recognized everywhere as art rock. Why not put all these metal with keyboards in prog related? Why not put all these new alternative bands with synthesizers in prog related? Why not put the nu-metal bands with songs longer than 5 minutes in prog related? This is prog? I doubt. Ask people who liked progressive rock when progressive rock was a mainstream genre to see which bands they consider more progressive: Beatles, The Nice, Moody Blues or these hundreds of new bands here? Of course they will answer Beatles, The Nice, Moody Blues. Not a band that made 15 metal albuns and two with "lots of signature changes (three) and songs of 8 minutes". Not an alternative MTV band with two songs in an album of 6 minutes and some synthesizers.

And before someone starts claiming I said something I didn´t said, I´m not saying that there isn´t prog metal bands, or space rock/experimental new bands or neo prog bands. But when I entered the site, I could download(now stream) almost every song that I enjoyed (doesn´t matter which genre, rio, zeuhl, art rock, folk rock, prog metal, space rock, symphonic prog, and so on). Nowadays I avoid progressive metal, experimental/space rock after 1990 and some other genres because I tried and disliked (or didn´t dislike, but said: ok, plain rock or metal)  most of the songs. And there are people who say that Beatles or Deep Purple will ruin the site? If the site is being ruined by any band additions, it was ruined long time ago when lots of bands were added without criteria.

NotAProghead wrote: Man With Hat wrote: NotAProghead wrote: Man With Hat wrote: I miss the days when i first signed up...nice and progressive. None of this proto-prog or prog related stuff. .... I find this to be the biggest mistake the archives have ever made. Queen was one thing...Deep Purple another. Even though The Beatles have more progressive moments then either of these two bands, they still do not deserve to be here. While i do not think the inclusion will ruin the site (as others have alluded to), it certainly doesn't better it, in any sense of the word. Why the site becomes worse because of metioned band inclusion? Everyone is free to choose true prog bands according to his (her) preferences. It's not an obligation to visit "The Beatles" or "Queen" sections.  I think there are bigger problems, for example the endless flood of DTSOM, ITCOTKC, "Close To The Edge" etc reviews (but it's a subject of other threads). I never said it became worse (and if it came off that way i apologize). It just doesn't make it better. IMO it can make the site better, especially it can be helpful for some younger proggers who usually listen prog-metal stuff. Maybe they pay attention to the roots of rock. For instance, if you read that band X has DEEP PURPLE influences, you can look who DP are on the same site.

Well thats your opinion and i respect that. I'm just saying my views differ.

wow this things still going on...what a waste of people's time.

Oh My God The Beatles Are Here!

Let's make a huge deal about it...

ALTERNATIVE: Have an open mind: accept what the collabs have done and move on with your life...iif it really does bother you that much than leave. Cool off and return if you feel like it. But please don't waste mine and others time clogging up the forums trying to make a non-existant point.

Why are you so upset? They added them to proto-prog at least--which is NOT progressive rock as we consider it, but rather music that strongly influenced/was related to progressive rock and if you don't think teh beatles belong there than you need to listen to their proggier albums (i suggest the white album) and get yourself straight...

Because of some stupid "Prog-related" area, but Prog-Related isn't stupid, its unnecessary. I say get rid of it.

Tony R wrote:   Ok,one last time for the hard-of-thinking: P-r-o-t-o P-r-o-g is not Prog. Bands added as Proto-Prog or Prog-Related are not considered Prog. Anyone still not getting this?

You mean that non prog bands are in a prog website?

 

Uh..........hmmmmmmm.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't get it!

Hey!

The Beatles are here!!!!

What next.........Paul McCartney and Wings?

Now thats an idea!

 

 

I'm serious!

The integrity of this site was just decimated.

Anyone who would call the Beatles prog outside this website would
embarass themselves.

Anyone can hear that The Beatles kind of kicked off the whole prog movement but they still are not a prog band. Of course they have elements of prog but there are certain factosr that makes a prog band out of an experimental band. I believe that even though this addition is justified in some ways, it is the most foolish addition to date. I for one will never consider the Beatles a progressive act. I beleieve everyone should be able to have and voice opinions but I don't believe this site should be so easily manipulated by people who can't tell the difference between Stairway to Heaven and A Plague of  Lighthouse Keepers.