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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2006 at 15:58
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

The stranglers described their own music as "angry psychedelia" and it was sort of progressive punk

Cardiacs are also a non-conventional punk band with keyboards and very well vrafted choirs

The Mars Volta could also be described as progressive punk


The Stranglers never were punk; in fact they made use of real polyphony in some of their songs, a very advanced technique that even most progressive rock bands don't master. Only the music industry called the Stranglers "punk" because it sold well at their time. An album like "Black and White" is progressive and not punk! One will get you ten that if you play that album to someone who does not know it without telling him what band the music is played by, he or she would classify the music as "prog".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2006 at 01:10
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by G_Bone G_Bone wrote:

The best example I can think of is the album Zen Arcade by Husker Du. It actually has keyboards and some decent instrumental parts, its a concept album, and well its hard to explain, but when I hear it I think prog 

Bob Mould's first solo album, Workbook, also has some proggy touches - it's a largely acoustic affair with some lovely cello work and a suitably restrained rhythm section.

Hoover Dam by Sugar (Mould's post Husker Du band) has some very proggy synth flourishes.

Which doesn't make Husker Du/Bob Mould/Sugar candidates for inclusion in the archive, but it  does lend some more weight to the argument.



glad to see someone else has heard of them (I really dont know much about them, have jsut heard that one album). I agree they shouldnt be included on the site, but for prog fans who have an interest in punk, they're great to listen to
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2006 at 08:30
Check out Joy Division ( Post punk thouhg ) I have heard one 16 minutes long punk song  from a band called " Subhumans " !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2006 at 00:23
The Melvins come from the punk tradition, but they use interesting timings and some other ideas similar to prog. Not really prog, but they are deffinitely considered kvlt in the underground.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2006 at 12:04

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

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The Stranglers never were punk; in fact they made use of real polyphony in some of their songs, a very advanced technique that even most progressive rock bands don't master. Only the music industry called the Stranglers "punk" because it sold well at their time. An album like "Black and White" is progressive and not punk! One will get you ten that if you play that album to someone who does not know it without telling him what band the music is played by, he or she would classify the music as "prog".

 

Like 'prog', the term  'punk' covered a mulitude of sub genres. And I have to disagree (this once) with you BF, to me the Stranglers were punk and most certainly had (originally) punk attitudes. I thought they were the punk Doors when I first came across them. Their No More Heroes, Hanging Around, Peaches were great punk hits at the height of the UK punk period, be it by a group of nearly 30's who for the most part had been around the music industry for some time (but so were the Police, all of whom had been involved in prog). And further I hear the Black & White album as the last of the Stranglers true punk albums -  it is interesting to hear what Fripp and Hammill do to the Stranglers' tune Tank with the Stranglers backing them - here Fripp is Fripp  but Hammill gives the clues in his punk delivery of why Johnny Rotten was into him and VdGG. As a reminder bands clumped in the punk genre in the mid/late 70's included XTC (btw Primus's cover of Making Plans For Nigel is punk), Police, Stranglers, Squeeze (sometimes I agree with the pundits that Glenn Tilbury and co. were the punk Lennon & McCartney), Joe Jackson (blimey he's now written a concerto!!!) and even Dire Straights (check out the double vinyl Hope & Anchor album released 78/79 to hear the breadth of bands doing punk)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2006 at 11:48
I was listening to Animals today and i was thinking this actually sounds quite a bit like The Fall
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2006 at 12:08
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

[QUOTE=lucas]
The Stranglers never were punk; in fact they made use of real polyphony in some of their songs, a very advanced technique that even most progressive rock bands don't master. Only the music industry called the Stranglers "punk" because it sold well at their time. An album like "Black and White" is progressive and not punk! One will get you ten that if you play that album to someone who does not know it without telling him what band the music is played by, he or she would classify the music as "prog".

 

Like 'prog', the term  'punk' covered a mulitude of sub genres. And I have to disagree (this once) with you BF, to me the Stranglers were punk and most certainly had (originally) punk attitudes. I thought they were the punk Doors when I first came across them. Their No More Heroes, Hanging Around, Peaches were great punk hits at the height of the UK punk period, be it by a group of nearly 30's who for the most part had been around the music industry for some time (but so were the Police, all of whom had been involved in prog). And further I hear the Black & White album as the last of the Stranglers true punk albums -  it is interesting to hear what Fripp and Hammill do to the Stranglers' tune Tank with the Stranglers backing them - here Fripp is Fripp  but Hammill gives the clues in his punk delivery of why Johnny Rotten was into him and VdGG. As a reminder bands clumped in the punk genre in the mid/late 70's included XTC (btw Primus's cover of Making Plans For Nigel is punk), Police, Stranglers, Squeeze (sometimes I agree with the pundits that Glenn Tilbury and co. were the punk Lennon & McCartney), Joe Jackson (blimey he's now written a concerto!!!) and even Dire Straights (check out the double vinyl Hope & Anchor album released 78/79 to hear the breadth of bands doing punk)

 


I disagree, Dick. If "punk" is defined as "simple music with basically three accords", then the Stranglers definitely don't fit. They use polyphony on their albums! No punk band would have had any idea what "polyphony" is in the first place. I admit they had a punky attitude though, and they had the raw energy of punk, as did VdGG (which is why Johnny Rotten aka John Lydn liked them). But musically they were light years away from punk.
Musicologist Tibor Kneif, who wrote "Das Sachlexikon der Rockmusik" ("Encyclopedia of Rock Music Terms") is of the same opinion, by the way.


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