Phil Collins: A Nasty Man?

Phil Collins is an astounding drummer and should be respected for that alone.

I have no problem with Phil Collins (or, for that matter, with 99.99% of people whom I've never met, and of whom I've never heard any true evil).

I admire his talent, quite like his voice, love his drumming in Genesis and Brand X, respect his work with Disney, support his right to make the best living he can for himself and his family, and fully understand his decision to do the kind of music that he likes best -- not just what pleases old-time Genesis fans. Unlike many here, I even think "More Fool Me" is a very nice song (I think many who profess to hate it came to Genesis late in the game, with progsnob anti-Phil prejudice already in place).

Unless you know the man personally, and have walked a mile or two in his shoes, you've no right to judge his integrity, morality or personality.

Most post-Gabriel Genesis is pop? Fine -- I like some pop, and Genesis pop tends to be pretty good pop. I prefer the old Genesis discs, and can play them whenever I want, but I listen to lots of kinds of music.

As the front man for the three-man Genesis, he garners the lion's share of progsnob abuse, but give Banks and Rutherford some credit for being thinking adults with their own free will, folks. If Banks was the singer, I'm sure many would have it in for him, instead.

It's just entertainment, not philosophy or politics.

Things change, as do we -- c'est la vie.

Whats so bad about Phil Collins?  You can't blame him alone for the direction Genesis took- if the other members didn't want to go that direction why didn't they stop him? 

Well he was co-responsible, but lets be honest, Shapes, Invisible Touch and We Can't Dance sound almost as Phil Collins solo stuff, not as Rutherford or Banks solo stuff, so he gets the biggest share.

 Anyway Peter Gabriel's early solo albums are just as poppy as Phil Collins' and later Genesis (although Gabriel hasn't sunk to the level of Disney soundtracks yet).  Heck, I just heard Salisbury Hill (sp?) on some commercial today.  I swear to God he wrote that track just cause he knew film previews would be using it for generations to come. 

Do you know what is the meaning of Solsbury Hills???? It's the explanation of why he left Genesis, PGI, II and III are absolutely Prog.

While Genesis was selling out, Peter lost his last penny in a non profitable but artistic project called WOMAD, so he had to release a couple of simpler tracks in 2 albums (PG IV and SO), but even then the videos were so advanced that it was a prove he never stopped experimenting.

My point is that Gabriel wasn't the prog element of Genesis, and Collins can't be blamed for ruining it.

Gabriel was the lyricist, frontman and leader of the band, his word was law, when he was at the band everything was clear, so he was the element of everything in Genesis.

Anyway I don't think anyone hates him.  Its not a bands job to please their fans.  The relationship between musicians and their fans is mutual.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Yes, it's the band's job to please the fans. My job is to please my clients because they pay y bills, fans pay their rich and famous life style.

There's something called gratitude and loyalty. This stupid fans were the guys who bought Genesis albums when they didn't have enough to pay the bills, the ones that followed them everywhere when the rest of the world hated them.

This are the same fans that recieved a loud "I don't care what you want" from Phil when genesis (with low case) got a new fanbase and the same ones that heard from Phil Collins that Prog was crap that fell from the trees like rotten apples when Punk came.

And now he's licking some arses because  POP fanbase vanished when they stopped being cool and he became a Disney joke.

If they want to change it's ok, but it's not fair tp speak as Collins did about the genre that not only feed him, but that made him a famous musician, before Genesis the most memorable thing he made was Calamity the Cow, and without Genesis he would never been famous.

At least Steve Hackett, despite his successful solo career made a tribute to the band that made him famous, despite the fact that he was the only member not invited to the Milton Keynes reunion, he was so humble hat he accepted to play the encores for Peter and for his fans.

That's loyalty.

Iván

I think that he has a very long time playing music. He has lived almost all of his life working in music, so, maybe when he looks back to some things that he did in his youth, maybe he doesn`t like them anymore. He played Progressive Rock for many years. He needed a change. Maybe he was tired of singing "I Know What I Like" tour after tour. Persons grow and change. The same is for many musicians.

The film "Buster" has some good things, but other things are not funny.