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Goldenavatar
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Topic: 100 Hundred Years from Now Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:12 |
ElwoodHerring wrote:
The beginning of the 20th Century was the time when music really started to get interesting. It was a time when composers were starting to be influenced by sounds from the far East and elsewhere; more and more "ordinary" people could afford to go to concerts (the Henry Wood Promenade concerts had started in the 1890's in London, and are still going now), plus the invention of sound recording was bringing more and more music into people's homes. Composers were experimenting with tonality (Schoenberg) or different scales (Debussy), and there was an explosion of new music available to more people than ever before.
If you were a music lover in 1906, you were living in a time of amazing musical developments which would continue for at least another 30 years!
As for Britney Spears, I can only repeat what Sir Arthur Sullivan said about - and recorded on - Edison's new invention in 1888 (one of the oldest recordings in the world):
"I am astonished and somewhat terrified. Astonished at the wonderful power you have developed; and terrified at the thought that so much hideous, bad music may be put on record forever."
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I have to disagree. Music was VERY interesting even in the Baroque era. Bach did more with tonality than most composers would even attempt for the next 200 years. Seriously, even his "light" material is tonally perfect and the structure is quite amazing sometimes. Take a listen to his 2 and 3 voice inventions (I would recommend the Glenn Gould recordings). The man was the KING of chromaticism in my opinion. Plus his "Art of Fugue" is an amazing work, putting to shame even many of those later romantic composers for sheer brilliance.
Even before that though, there was music that was amazingly interesting. Check out some isorhythmic motets by Josquin Desprez, or some Madrigals by Carlo Gesualdo for some medieval and renaissance craziness.
As for composers such as Schoenberg, I am not tremendously impressed by atonal music, especially 12-tone serialism. BLAH! Its best use in my humble opinion is in horror movie scores.
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cuncuna
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:04 |
I wish some aliens went to Britney's home to attack here with gigantic space weapons...
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ĦBeware of the Bee!
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Sacred 22
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:56 |
Rorro wrote:
maybe people will be all brain washed, and inteligent people will not be able to think |
Wait, that's happening now!.............
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Rorro
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:32 |
maybe people will be all brain washed, and inteligent people will not be able to think
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Empathy
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 16:34 |
R o V e R wrote:
100 years from now....
there will be a lot of intellegent people
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Such optimism! It's refreshing.
...now prove it!
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Pure Brilliance:
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R o V e R
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 15:54 |
Sacred 22 wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day and after a while it hit me. The album that polorizes the people who adore the band itself. The album bought up quickly upon release after what many call the most ground breaking album ever released. Yes, after much thought it could be none other than Tales From Topographic Oceans.
It's just a hunch, but I get the feeling that this album will be very sought after in 2106, assuming of course we have not been attacked by aliens, swallowed up by the sea, or worse yet, still being around to see if it comes true.
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100 years from now....
there will be a lot of intellegent people
so proggressive music will be the main genre of music
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 15:42 |
Atkingani wrote:
Could we consider that progressive-music (rock),
specially the songs made in the 70s, is "contemporary classic"? I
wonder how these songs will be studied in years to come. IMO they'll be
treated as "classicals", in the same way we treat today operas
(originally a popular issue), jazz and some
old blues.
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Courses are already being given at the university level where
my wife teaches. In high scool we even learned about Beatles music as
well as playing it. Same with Jesus Christ Superstar. I had a
university prof who liked Hamburger Concerto so much after I lent her
my copy that she went out and bought it!
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Atkingani
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 17:35 |
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Space Chief
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 17:26 |
Jack-a-lynn wrote:
Currently I am building a time capsule that automatically plays "Spirit of Radio" when you open it. It's gonna be awesome.
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Just hope whoever finds it doesn't take it to the Priests of Syrinx...
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grandoleopry
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 17:26 |
Atkingani wrote:
Could we consider that progressive-music (rock), specially the songs made in the 70s, is "contemporary classic"? I wonder how these songs will be studied in years to come. IMO they'll be treated as "classicals".  |
I would sure like to think so. But, I have my doubts because of the class of people who uphold the arts and music. To this day, all rock is considered to be pop culture dispite the huge amount of coverage. Look at how the modern critics of classical music view rock. The future doesn't look good for the preservation of rock as a serious art form that will endure. I hope I'm wrong...
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Dreams. Gabor Szabo (1968)
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Atkingani
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 17:20 |
Could we consider that progressive-music (rock), specially the songs made in the 70s, is "contemporary classic"? I wonder how these songs will be studied in years to come. IMO they'll be treated as "classicals", in the same way we treat today operas (originally a popular issue), jazz and some old blues.
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grandoleopry
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 17:14 |
It seems the only "essential" music that lasts over a hundred years is classical. Scott Joplin, George Gershwin, Stephen Foster have created memorable music that lasted beyond their generational contemporaries but only academically, never for pleasure. For example, few modern people would play Stephen Foster's Old Kentucky Home for listening pleasure. Our musical tastes are shaped and confined by the era we live in. Great music transcends culture and trends and can be enjoyed by generations far removed from whatever trends currently were going on during the time of the composition. Sure, it would be gratifying to know that
my favorite band's contributions will endure the centuries, but I suspect that my ego is involved in that kind of evaluation. Those of you who are more eloquent then I, please help me out here if you concur.
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Dreams. Gabor Szabo (1968)
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Playa10
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 23:40 |
There will always be nice tunes!!! Dylan, Baez, McCartney ect.... But Revolution in music is hard to come by!! When those aliens (or our descendents--if anyones left) hear 'Pink Floyd' 'Led Zeppelin' and maybe 'Black Sabath' they will get a sense of our era,, My opinion anyway.. Regards from a Die-Hard!!
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Prog-man
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 23:21 |
2016?
JUST WAIT UNTIL 2112, AND YOU'LL SEE THE PEOPLE LISTENING TO THE RUSH MATERPIECE AT THE CORRECT TIME!!! 
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Arriving somewhere but not here
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bhikkhu
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 22:41 |
The funny thing about this album is that the controversy seems to have
become bigger than the object of it. This will insure its legacy.
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MANTICORE
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 22:18 |
pero wrote:
Close to the edge will live, but it will be commercial album.
People will communicate telepathically, or live in caves listening Guns and roses.
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listening HANSON .!
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The Beatles
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 21:08 |
Rorro wrote:
Sacred 22 wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day and after a while it hit me. The album that polorizes the people who adore the band itself. The album bought up quickly upon release after what many call the most ground breaking album ever released. Yes, after much thought it could be none other than Tales From Topographic Oceans.
It's just a hunch, but I get the feeling that this album will be very sought after in 2106, assuming of course we have not been attacked by aliens, swallowed up by the sea, or worse yet, still being around to see if it comes true.
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didn't you see matrix?, we'll be dominated by computers, and they won't like music so..., i'm sorry but ther's no hope for Tales From Topographic Oceans
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Dominated by computers? Well hopefully they keep ProgArchives online so that
1. They have access to the ultimate progressive music resource
2. Humans can proove that proggers like Jon Anderson saw it all coming
3. Learn that all of us thought that we thought of what Jon Anderson thought of after he thought of it
4. Learn that AtLossForWords used the word thought a lot in line three
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"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls."
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 20:13 |
TOD KREMER wrote:
...the LP as a form did not come into prominence until mid-to-late 60's.
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The LP was around long before the "mid-to-late 60's". The likes of Dean Martin, Bing Crosby etc. were releasing LPs in the 1950s.
The UK New Musical Express started publishing a weekly LP Top 10 in 1962:
9 June 1962
01 NE Blue Hawaii - Elvis Presley 02 NE West Side Story - OST 03 NE It's Trad Dad - OST 04 NE South Pacific - OST 05 NE Young Ones - Cliff Richard/ Shadows 06 NE I Remember Tommy - Frank Sinatra 07 NE Sinatra and Strings - Frank Sinatra 08 NE The Black And White Minstrel Show - George Mitchel Minstrells 09 NE The Sound Of Music - London Cast 10 NE Honey Hit Parade - Various Artists
16 June 1962
01 01 Blue Hawaii - Elvis Presley 02 02 West Side Story - Soundtrack 03 03 It`s Trad Dad - Soundtrack 05 04 The Young Ones - Cliff Richard & The Shadows 04 05 South Pacific - Soundtrack 08 06 The Black And White Minstrel Show - George Mitchell Minstrels 07 07 Sinatra And Strings - Frank Sinatra NE 08 The Roaring Twenties/Songs From The TV Series - Dorothy Provine 06 09 I Remember Tommy - Frank Sinatra NE 10 The Shadows - The Shadows
23 June 1962
02 01 West Side Story - Soundtrack 01 02 Blue Hawaii - Elvis Presley 07 03 Sinatra And Strings - Frank Sinatra 06 04 The Black And White Minstrel Show - George Mitchell Minstrels 04 05 The Young Ones - Cliff Richard & The Shadows 05 06 South Pacific - Soundtrack 03 06 It`s Trad Dad - Soundtrack 10 08 The Shadows - The Shadows 09 09 I Remember Tommy - Frank Sinatra 08 10 The Roaring Twenties/Songs From The TV Series - Dorothy Provine
30 June 1962
01 01 West Side Story - Soundtrack 02 02 Blue Hawaii - Elvis Presley 06 03 South Pacific - Soundtrack 04 04 The Black And White Minstrel Show - George Mitchell Minstrels 06 05 It`s Trad Dad - Soundtrack 03 06 Sinatra And Strings - Frank Sinatra 05 07 The Young Ones - Cliff Richard & The Shadows 10 08 The Roaring Twenties/Songs From The TV Series - Dorothy Provine NE 09 Another Black And White Minstrel Show - George Mitchell Minstrels NE 10 Wimoweh - Karl Denver 09 10 I Remember Tommy - Frank Sinatra
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TOD KREMER
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 15:30 |
I'm not sure this thread is turning out the way SACRED 22 intended. He may want to ask the question in a different way.
I see no reason why some prog will not be considered classic in 100 years.
Genesis, Yes, Beatles, Zep are 35+ years and still going strong with classic status. I see no reason why that will not continue.
It has yet to be seen though, because the LP as a form did not come into prominence until mid-to-late 60's.
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Hierophant
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 14:02 |
lay off the drugs dude
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