Phil Collins ... A Prog Legend

TheRocinanteKid wrote: Wow, I was just gonna start a new thread regarding Phil Collins and then suddenly I see this, figured I might as well ask my question here as start a new topic.   So... is the album Face Value worth picking up? I do dig most of what Genesis has put out over the years and enjoy Peter's solo career but have never bothered with Phil for obvious reasons. I heard Face Value at least has some Prog-cred is this true? Any information/opinions on this album much appreciated.

musicbandit wrote: I think Phil Collins made some great albums and songs in the 80s and is very wrongly criticised. Take just for example, Thunder and Lightning, I Missed Again, I don't Care Anymore, Thru these Walls, these are all genuine classics. I urge anyone who hasn't heard Phil Collin's first two albums to really listen to them before they even CONTEMPLATE criticising this man! He is a fantastic singer and a great drummer so let's all start appreciating him for what he's really worth - priceless!

Phil Collins ia a great drummer and decent vocalist who played and sung in a Prog band, that's all.

But to be a Prog Legend you need to have Prog songs, and honestly I don't find a single Progressive note written by Phil Collins, the remotely Prog tracks from the late albums were written by Tony.

Peter Gabriel with all his merits and being a Prog Rock icon is lumped in Prog Related, where do you all believe Phil should go judging by this standarts.

BTW: Mama IMO is anything but Prog, it's repetitive, boring and one of his worst performances, he shouts out of tomne and that laugh at thend is pretty repulsive.

Iván

Masque wrote: dagrush wrote: Uh, I'd have to disagree that some of those are "top shelf". The pile of crap that is "Follow you, follow me", the pile of crap that is "Your own special way", the... well, you get where I'm going. Much like Rutherford and Banks (also guys like Squire and Oldfield, but that's a different thread) I love Phil's former period, but hate what he became. You need to also write songs that get some radio attention, thats buisness, and for a radio orientated tune  those songs you said were perfect , plus  your own special way has beauty about it I think its hacketts atmosphers .  not sure     and Follow you Follow me is a great song  and one of the most recognised tunes Genesis ever made (check out the keys in it) sure its not prog but that doesn`t make it bad

I strongly disagree with that word!!!

Phil Collins a legend!?  I think I would rather kill myself than admit that a love sick pop rocker is a legend.  I might admit that if he continued his work with Brand X, but he didn't.  His music is static and makes me want a drowned myself in some good ol' Magma!  Hahahha... 

If I'd list my fave Phil performances that would surely drop Your Own Special Way, Follow you Follow Me, Blood on the Rooftops and Snobound from the first list. It will start from
Mama
Home by the Sea
Me and Sarah Jane
Mad Man Moon
Supper's Ready (Seconds Out)
Carpet Crawlers (Seconds Out)
Dance on a volcano
One for the Vine
Entangled
Down and Out
Afterglow
Behind the Lines
Duchess
That's All (for its a very difficult song to sing without having your jaw aching)
Fading Lights

Unfortunately nothing 'vocal impressive' from Invisible Touch-eh (eh, I tried singing Invisible once-- too many words in too little time made my jaw ache)!

Damn straight. Leave Phil alone, haters.

Genesis from 70-81, Brand X, played on Eno albums etc etc. That's a pretty
good career in itself, no matter what came after.

A prog and a pop legend

Sorry, but since ATTW3 it was Genesis no more, it was anything.

And Your Own Special Way sucks IMO.

Iván

Collins didn't ruin Genesis. All the band members continued writing
music that most of us progheads don't like. Even the 'backbone of
Genesis' Tony Banks contributed equally to the mainstream productions
of popular Genesis.

I hold them all equally responsible.