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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mystic fred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2006 at 16:46
i thought Accountants were supposed to be boring? this man knows a good album when he hears it!LOL
 
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Below is an interesting review. I didn't really feel like posting it as inappropriate (so I put it here instead). How would you folks judge this?


PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here
Review by rabs (Adrian Rabet)

5 stars Define greatness?

In my view the fact that I bought the vinyl of this album on the day it was released and still listen to it now some 31 years later when as a 47 year old Chartered Accountant you think I would know better!

Absolutely suberb

Posted Friday, November 10, 2006, 11:03 EST | Permanent link

 
Well, let it stay... a little to add amid hundreds of reviews submitted for this album. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pnoom! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 19:39
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Below is an interesting review. I didn't really feel like posting it as inappropriate (so I put it here instead). How would you folks judge this?PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here
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    Define greatness? In my view the fact that I bought the vinyl of this album on the day it was released and still
listen to it now some 31 years later when as a 47 year old Chartered Accountant you think I
would know better!Absolutely suberb
    


    
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That's pretty funny, actually, if almost essentially useless. All that it says is that the album is timeless...
    
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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

Folly, that was a nice review for Floyd's Division Bell. I share many of your opinions. The trickiest side is your affirmation - Gilmour lacks vision; or at least compared to Waters. I could not confirm or deny that. Just one question though: have you listened to Gilmour's solo album from 1978? How do you find/like it? (Myself I love it and it's one of the closest to my heart. I often find myself singing it's tunes.)

    
Well, now that I got your private message, I cannot say that I've spent much time with Gilmour's '78 album. I own it, but I don't really know it at all. Next chance I get (this weekend), I will listen to it and see what I think. The only one I know well is About Face, which wasn't impressive (except for Murder). As for On an Island, I took three listens and decided I didn't WANT to know it well...

But consider that, and my review didn't consider this (unfortunately), Gilmour probably did have vision up until The Wall or so. However, Division Bell was released 15 YEARS after his first solo album, which I've heard and wouldn't doubt is his best (given my knowledge of the other two). By this time (well, by AMLOR - 9 years later - really) he had lost whatever vision he had. I would have a hard time decrying his vision on, say Dark Side or Wish You Were Here (or my personal favorite, Meddle), but Division Bell shows an utter lack of vision, as does AMLOR, as does On an Island, as does, to a smaller extent, About Face. A string of four albums in a row with little or no vision led me to conclude that he had lost whatever he once had. That said, of those four releases, Division Bell is clearly the best, and, other than maybe, just maybe, About Face, the only one worthy of a three star rating (which from me is not necessarily bad - hell, given the album, a two star review can be good from me). If that made sense (probably not), that ought to explain my position. If not, and you want to understand, PM me, and I'll try to make it make sense.

BTW: I'm glad that you liked my review, my reviewing Pink Floyd seems to bring out my best...:

At last count (I may be forgetting something, though), I've gotten PMs saying nice review for Dark Side, The Final Cut, In London, and now Division Bell. None for any other band though...
 
EDIT: I have gotten one PM for my Nursery Cryme review, but other than that, all Pink Floyd...



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Below is an interesting review. I didn't really feel like posting it as inappropriate (so I put it here instead). How would you folks judge this?


PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here
Review by rabs (Adrian Rabet)

5 stars Define greatness?

In my view the fact that I bought the vinyl of this album on the day it was released and still listen to it now some 31 years later when as a 47 year old Chartered Accountant you think I would know better!

Absolutely suberb

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Folly, that was a nice review for Floyd's Division Bell. I share many of your opinions. The trickiest side is your affirmation - Gilmour lacks vision; or at least compared to Waters. I could not confirm or deny that. Just one question though: have you listened to Gilmour's solo album from 1978? How do you find/like it? (Myself I love it and it's one of the closest to my heart. I often find myself singing it's tunes.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:08
Spot on Peter. In fact the reviewer was invited to re-submit the review stating the same opinions in a more palatable manner.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:07
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

In a democracy surely we should support the freedom of speech - even if you totally disagree. The reviewer  of the Marillion has spent time considering what to write in his review and  some type case against the album, so leave it. If it hurts, so what, we have had the likes of John Peel and Tony Wilson telling us the whole of prog is 'abject dribble', 'bollocks, absolute bollocks', 'irrelevant' and never made any sound case against prog. The number of times I've been told that I like "w**kers' music" have become countless - I simply don't agree with them, and try to get these folk to argue their case. And then our own contributors mindless (IMHO) lambast against punk, and rap etc. ......................
 
I see your point, Dick, but a "published" review is not a private conversation, and we have certain standards in reviews which must be adhered to. (They are not optional.) There is no such wide-open "free speech" here, just as there is not in newspapers, workplaces, classrooms, magazines, private clubs, etc. A writer must agree to these standards before submitting, so "ignorance of the law" or rejecting our "law" is no excuse.
 
I agree, though, that one is free to savage even the most widely revered album (and nasty reviews can be funny, and informative), but even so, one must defend one's point of view, and not be blatantly or personally offensive.
 
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In a democracy surely we should support the freedom of speech - even if you totally disagree. The reviewer  of the Marillion has spent time considering what to write in his review and  some type case against the album, so leave it. If it hurts, so what, we have had the likes of John Peel and Tony Wilson telling us the whole of prog is 'abject dribble', 'bollocks, absolute bollocks', 'irrelevant' and never made any sound case against prog. The number of times I've been told that I like "w**kers' music" have become countless - I simply don't agree with them, and try to get these folk to argue their case. And then our own contributors mindless (IMHO) lambast against punk, and rap etc. ......................
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Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

somehow this "review" comes across as extremely insulting to the neo-prog team and fish fans..!!
 
 

MARILLION — Script For A Jester's Tear

Review by bristolstc

1 stars I used to LISTEN seriously to THIS!!!!? What was I on!? Marillion together with Arena (who just happened to be a much later spinoff/imitation) were the most vulgar insult to progressive music ever created, because they not only created "neo prog," but all the evil hypocrisies that go along with it. Let's start first in the vocal/lyric department. Fish is an awful singer who tried not very hard to clone Peter Gabriel's approach circa Lamb Lies Down and Trespass. His screeching, histrionic, overbearing vocals sound more like a really bad imitation of Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickinson and though I'm not a great fan of Maiden, at least they didn't pretend to be something they weren't. The lyrics are written at first you think from someone whose heart is at least in the right place, but then you realize a tantrum throwing track like "Forgotten Sons" which sounds pro British Soldier anti IRA on first listening is just an excuse to write another twisted and violent song about death. Fish is the real problem here, choking you and suffocating you, but the whole band are a problem. This whole record is a lie. Progressive rock? No way!!! Marillion like all neo prog are like a bad marriage of overproduced heavy metal and smug allusions to a kind of music not only the band could care less about or understand, but a kind of music people didn't understand who liked this nonsense. There isn't one passage here that I can listen to, in fact I will never listen to anything by Marillion with Fish again and haven't for years! To give credit where credit is due, after Fish left Marillion released TWO good albums- Season's End (I've really just been told its good by a friend of mine) and Holidays In Eden (this is great and you should listen to what an improvement Steve Hogarth is), actually- make that two good records and one pretty good attempt at making a concept album- the underrated and very listenable Brave. Back to this disaster, though, no matter how hard Marillion would try to avoid the mistakes of their past, they had commited the worst insult to progressive music ever with Fish and there is no forgiving them for it. The production is horrible and sounds like any other bad 80s production job, the lyrics are made even worse by Fish's delivery which is to scream, grunt, and yowl every word like someone has just stuck a knife in his back (wishful thinking), and the playing is so clunky that every tempo or mood change turns into a nightmarish exercise in inept arrogant w**king. The whole sound is bad, and Fish gets the bad music he deserves here. Neo prog? I'm even growing tired of IQ who I still have to admit I have a soft spot for (maybe because they didn't fake things and were honest) and I strongly feel there were things more "progressive" in Shy, Grand Prix, Tobruk, and the other Brit/American hard pomp rock bands. Pomp was what prog turned into, not this neo nonsense. The absolute worst track on the album is "Forgotten Sons" made even worse by the fact you know a bad imitation of "The Knife" is coming for a whole album. He even has the nerve to use the line "For Those Who Trespass Against Us" in it! What would the average soldier who Fish is trying to convince do to him? Sock him in the jaw! He'd probably more likely be a Deep Purple fan than a Marillion fan anyway. Give me Maiden if I want to be put into a painful state of mind when listening. The problem is that Bruce Dickinson was technically a very good singer who didn't always have the best material, Fish is a TECHNICALLY HORRIBLE SINGER who writes awful lyrics to go with awful material. There is no way to erase the shameful stain left on music by neo prog, and it began and was obnoxious here. Not even music

 


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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Actually there are three words you once said yourself:"dull, dull and dulland did I mention it is dull?"so, still clenched?

    
Nowhere did I attack any band members or a genre of music - or even try to attack the band or its music.

I simply stated an opinion about a particular album, then reviewed the music in such a way that explained in detail how I had formed that opinion, making the disclosure of my opinion a fair one - not an attack or cheap insult - making references to identifiable points in the music.

You, like anyone else in the entire world, are perfectly welcome to discuss it in the forums any time - that's what they're here for - and I won't run away like some child playing "Knock down Ginger", as was the case here.
    
    
    
    

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Cheers. Thumbs Up the best solution indeed. 
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I've removed the Marillion review, and invited the reviewer to submit a new one. I've made it clear to him though that he is quite entitled to his opinion, but he needs to express it in a less aggressive way.
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:




I could rip that apart - but why bother?

The insults are there for all to see - they're not even veiled.

Insulting language is against the rules, as we all know.

It's OK to trash an album you don't like - but you can't just spew out a stream of insults and stand by them as "just my opinion, man".



Actually there are three words you once said yourself:

"dull, dull and dull

and did I mention it is dull?"

EmbarrassedLOL

so, still clenched? Ouch


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2006 at 17:36
The review is utter bullsh*t with an agenda to attack Fish for whatever reason.
Consider:

Marillion like all neo prog are like a bad marriage of overproduced heavy metal and smug allusions to a kind of music not only the band could care less about or understand, but a kind of music people didn't understand who liked this nonsense

and this:


Neo prog? I'm even growing tired of IQ who I still have to admit I have a soft spot for

Contradiction?

Hatchet job with no humour at all!
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Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I'd like bristolstc to sign up and discuss this in the forums - I'd be happy to set him right
 
I'd like to see this duel...without taking sides...maybe...LOL
 
Easy Livin' opened this topic specifically for discussions like that... unfortunately the reviewer isn't registered, something I hope to be fixed soon for all reviewers.  
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I'd like bristolstc to sign up and discuss this in the forums - I'd be happy to set him right
 
I'd like to see this duel...without taking sides...maybe...LOL
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If I gave my genuine opinion of that review in the same terms and insulting language, I'd probably be banned - and rightly so.
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Easy Livin' said: "Some editing may be the result. "
 
This is a Scottish understatement for deleting the review Wink ?
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