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mystic fred ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
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i thought Accountants were supposed to be boring? this man knows a good album when he hears it!
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12291 |
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Well, let it stay... a little to add amid hundreds of reviews submitted for this album.
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Pnoom! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
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That's pretty funny, actually, if almost essentially useless. All that it says is that the album is timeless... |
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Pnoom! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
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Well, now that I got your private message, I cannot say that I've spent much time with Gilmour's '78 album. I own it, but I don't really know it at all. Next chance I get (this weekend), I will listen to it and see what I think. The only one I know well is About Face, which wasn't impressive (except for Murder). As for On an Island, I took three listens and decided I didn't WANT to know it well... ![]() But consider that, and my review didn't consider this (unfortunately), Gilmour probably did have vision up until The Wall or so. However, Division Bell was released 15 YEARS after his first solo album, which I've heard and wouldn't doubt is his best (given my knowledge of the other two). By this time (well, by AMLOR - 9 years later - really) he had lost whatever vision he had. I would have a hard time decrying his vision on, say Dark Side or Wish You Were Here (or my personal favorite, Meddle), but Division Bell shows an utter lack of vision, as does AMLOR, as does On an Island, as does, to a smaller extent, About Face. A string of four albums in a row with little or no vision led me to conclude that he had lost whatever he once had. That said, of those four releases, Division Bell is clearly the best, and, other than maybe, just maybe, About Face, the only one worthy of a three star rating (which from me is not necessarily bad - hell, given the album, a two star review can be good from me). If that made sense (probably not), that ought to explain my position. If not, and you want to understand, PM me, and I'll try to make it make sense. BTW: I'm glad that you liked my review, my reviewing Pink Floyd seems to bring out my best...: At last count (I may be forgetting something, though), I've gotten PMs saying nice review for Dark Side, The Final Cut, In London, and now Division Bell. None for any other band though... EDIT: I have gotten one PM for my Nursery Cryme review, but other than that, all Pink Floyd... Edited by inpraiseoffolly - November 13 2006 at 17:06 |
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Below is an interesting review. I didn't really feel like posting it as inappropriate (so I put it here instead). How would you folks judge this?
PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here Review by rabs (Adrian Rabet)
Posted Friday, November 10, 2006, 11:03 EST | Permanent link |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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andu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
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Folly, that was a nice review for Floyd's Division Bell. I share many of your opinions. The trickiest side is your affirmation - Gilmour lacks vision; or at least compared to Waters. I could not confirm or deny that. Just one question though: have you listened to Gilmour's solo album from 1978? How do you find/like it? (Myself I love it and it's one of the closest to my heart. I often find myself singing it's tunes.)
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Spot on Peter. In fact the reviewer was invited to re-submit the review stating the same opinions in a more palatable manner.
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Peter ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
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I see your point, Dick, but a "published" review is not a private conversation, and we have certain standards in reviews which must be adhered to. (They are not optional.) There is no such wide-open "free speech" here, just as there is not in newspapers, workplaces, classrooms, magazines, private clubs, etc. A writer must agree to these standards before submitting, so "ignorance of the law" or rejecting our "law" is no excuse.
I agree, though, that one is free to savage even the most widely revered album (and nasty reviews can be funny, and informative), but even so, one must defend one's point of view, and not be blatantly or personally offensive.
I trust our hard-working Mods to enforce our (necessary) rules in a prudent, justifiable fashion. Edited by Peter Rideout - November 07 2006 at 15:08 |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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In a democracy surely we should support the freedom of speech - even if you totally disagree. The reviewer of the Marillion has spent time considering what to write in his review and some type case against the album, so leave it. If it hurts, so what, we have had the likes of John Peel and Tony Wilson telling us the whole of prog is 'abject dribble', 'bollocks, absolute bollocks', 'irrelevant' and never made any sound case against prog. The number of times I've been told that I like "w**kers' music" have become countless - I simply don't agree with them, and try to get these folk to argue their case. And then our own contributors mindless (IMHO) lambast against punk, and rap etc. ......................
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Cygnus X-2 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 24 2004 Location: Bucketheadland Status: Offline Points: 21342 |
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The Neo Team is used to these sorts of comments.... still... it hurts... ![]() |
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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Nowhere did I attack any band members or a genre of music - or even try to attack the band or its music. I simply stated an opinion about a particular album, then reviewed the music in such a way that explained in detail how I had formed that opinion, making the disclosure of my opinion a fair one - not an attack or cheap insult - making references to identifiable points in the music. You, like anyone else in the entire world, are perfectly welcome to discuss it in the forums any time - that's what they're here for - and I won't run away like some child playing "Knock down Ginger", as was the case here. Edited by Certif1ed - November 05 2006 at 17:30 |
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Cheers.
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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I've removed the Marillion review, and invited the reviewer to submit a new one. I've made it clear to him though that he is quite entitled to his opinion, but he needs to express it in a less aggressive way.
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Actually there are three words you once said yourself: "dull, dull and dull and did I mention it is dull?" ![]() ![]() so, still clenched? ![]() |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Hatchet, axe and saw ...
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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The review is utter bullsh*t with an agenda to attack Fish for whatever reason.
Consider: Marillion like all neo prog are like a bad marriage of overproduced heavy metal and smug allusions to a kind of music not only the band could care less about or understand, but a kind of music people didn't understand who liked this nonsense and this: Neo prog? I'm even growing tired of IQ who I still have to admit I have a soft spot for Contradiction? Hatchet job with no humour at all! |
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12291 |
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Easy Livin' opened this topic specifically for discussions like that... unfortunately the reviewer isn't registered, something I hope to be fixed soon for all reviewers.
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eugene ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
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I'd like to see this duel...without taking sides...maybe...
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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If I gave my genuine opinion of that review in the same terms and insulting language, I'd probably be banned - and rightly so.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Easy Livin' said: "Some editing may be the result. "
This is a Scottish understatement for deleting the review
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