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    Posted: January 04 2007 at 23:07
Music, Angels, and Lucifer

Long before God made man or even formed the earth, as we know it today, He created an angel in the Third Heaven, giving him the ability to play music. In fact, this angel was made with instruments of music built into his body. He was a special celestial being-an archangel. No cherub or seraph was allowed to be closer to the throne of God than he. Only two other angels in Heaven came close to his position of authority and responsibility. These were the archangels, Michael and Gabriel.

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Michael, a warrior and a protector, fought the principality called the Prince of Persia who opposed Daniel and his prayers.1 Michael was one of the chief princes, the prince of Israel-the heavenly patron and champion of Israel.2 Michael also opposed the devil in the dispute over Moses' body.3 In the Apocalypse, he leads the angelic armies in war against the old serpent, satan.4 Some scholars believe that he may be the archangel that announces the coming of the Lord.5

The second archangel, Gabriel, is a messenger angel who was instructed to explain to Daniel the meaning of his vision.6 It was Gabriel who told Zachariah and Elizabeth that they were going to bring forth a son who would prepare the way for the Messiah. Gabriel also appeared to Mary saying that she was highly favored among all the women on earth, and that she would bear a son, Jesus, who would be the Savior of the world.7 The third archangel was lucifer-the music angel. Ezekiel describes him:

'You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering.?The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created' (Ezek. 28:13 NKJ).

Some scholars debate whether lucifer was in the Garden of Eden. However, this Scripture may not refer to the Garden of Eden in Genesis, but a metaphor of the presence of God. 'The workmanship' is interpreted as 'service,' which is the meaning of the word ministry. He was given these music instruments in order to serve, not to use them for his advantage.

The Music Angel

Most theologians believe that lucifer had tambourines and pipes built into his body, and that he possessed the ability to play these instruments extremely well. It is very clear that lucifer excelled in music and that it was an actual part of him.

The Bible refers to 'pipes,' plural, meaning there were more than one. The notes these pipes made were possibly harmonious, blending with one another. And since there were more than one, perhaps three, they could have made a chord.

The tabrets, or tambourines, another part of lucifer's body, gave him rhythm, a beat for the music that he played. In fact, within lucifer's makeup represented most categories of musical instruments that we have today-string, wind, and percussion. The pipes mentioned in Ezekiel 28:13 were a type of the wind instruments; the tambourines represented the percussion instruments. Lucifer was also able to make music on stringed instruments, as revealed in Isaiah 14:11-12:

Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, and the sound of your stringed instruments; the maggot is spread under you, and worms cover you. How you are fallen from heaven, O lucifer, son of the morning! (NKJ, emphasis mine)

These stringed musical instruments were 'viols' or a six-stringed instrument.8 So the total spectrum of instruments that we play today, except for electronic instruments, were built into lucifer's body, and he could play them all.

Not only was lucifer a musician, but he was also the instrument as well. Lucifer didn't sit down at a piano; he was a piano! And he didn't carry a guitar around his neck; he was a guitar. Lucifer possessed this talent and the ability to play instruments, producing a sound in his service of worship to God.

According to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, lucifer's name means 'light-bearer,' 'morning star,' or 'day star.' He is also called by several other names, such as 'Son of the Morning' and 'the Anointed Cherub.' Lucifer was given a definite anointing for serving or ministering in music. In Ezekiel 28:14,16, the Bible says that lucifer dwelt in the mountain of God (possibly the presence of God) and was the covering cherub. God had created the angels to worship Himself, and it was lucifer's responsibility to lead all the angelic hosts in praise and worship to God the Father. He was Heaven's choir director, music minister, or worship leader.

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men (Luke 2:13-14).

I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and His train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphim?And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory (Isaiah 6:1-3).

Some scholars say that these 'seraphim' were singing seraphs.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing (Revelation 5:11-12).

Because lucifer's responsibility was to lead the angelic hosts in singing and playing, he most likely provided the accompaniment on his pipes, tabrets, and viols. God had given him a special anointing for this powerful ministry in music. Lucifer was the master musician in Heaven. He very possibly was the choir director and the orchestra leader, as well as the entire orchestra.

In the beginning, music was created to minister to God the Father and to worship Him.9 God birthed the ministry of music in lucifer to lead the angelic hosts in worship. It was ordained by God and was pleasing to Him. Any use of music other than worship to God is a violation of the purpose for which God created music. God did not create music for any secular purpose, and there was no secular music in the beginning. All music was from God and for God and part of the Kingdom of God. He did not even create music for evangelism. God created music for worship. Music can be used to reach the unsaved, but if that is all we use music for, we are living beneath our privilege and are not reaching a total spiritual fulfillment in music.

Lucifer was a worship leader, whom the Bible describes as being very wise and extremely beautiful-an awesome musical creature.

?every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold? (Ezekiel 28:13).

You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you (Ezekiel 28:15 NIV, emphasis mine). Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor? (Ezekiel 28:17 NIV, emphasis mine).

Lucifer was an angel of light and radiated with brilliance. Everything about him was perfect from the day he was created.

Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: 'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty' ' (Ezekiel 28:12 NIV).

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Then one day in the midst of all the harmony, order, and divine music in Heaven, 'when the morning stars [angels] sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy' (Job 38:7, emphasis mine), lucifer saw his own beauty and brilliance and became arrogant and lifted up in pride:

I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds: I will be like the most High (Isaiah 14:13-14, emphasis mine).

Lucifer desired worship for himself. God could not allow this rebellion, so He removed lucifer out of the Third Heaven and cast him down to the earth. With him went a third of all the angels in Heaven, perhaps because he had tricked them into worshiping him. He may have desired worship so much that he conned these angels into worshiping him and becoming part of his following.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven.?Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (Revelation 12:3,7-9).

?I beheld satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18).

Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings (Ezekiel 28:16-17 NIV, emphasis mine).

Lucifer fell from the lofty position that he once held in the Third Heaven before the very presence of God. Satan's kingdom now fills the atmosphere around the earth, even to the very surface of the earth.

How you are fallen from heaven, O lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! (Isaiah14:12)

However, the Bible doesn't say that when God cast lucifer out of His presence that He took away his ministry of music, or his great ability to be wise. The day lucifer fell, music fell. Music that once was used to worship Almighty God now became music of an earthly nature; it became music of the world and began to appeal to our lower nature instead of appealing to God and our spiritual man (that part of us that has been born of God). Music, then, became corrupted. Music became used for self. Lucifer began to use it for his own worship and man for his own gratification. For the first time music became secular-outside the realm and reign of God.

The Bible suggests that there are worms in lucifer's music. 'Your pomp [and] the music of your harps have been brought down to Sheol; Maggots are spread out [as your bed] beneath you, and worms are your covering' (Is. 14:11 NAS). Two kinds of maggots are among him-rapidly breeding ones are under him, and voraciously devouring worms cover him.

That anointed and powerful ministry of music that lucifer had in Heaven is now corrupted and cursed. It has a false anointing. Lucifer's music is now of the earth-earthly. His splendor has been brought down and is grossly debased. He fell, as well as his music. He still has that same powerful ministry to create worship, but now it is corrupted, and lucifer uses that ministry to entice worship for himself because he has an insatiable appetite for recognition, fame, reverence, and exaltation.

Lucifer wanted to achieve a higher position; he wanted to be number one; he wanted to be exalted above everything. Lucifer's desire was and is to receive worship for himself.

It is interesting to note the Arab legend that says the first song ever sung was the lament of Abel.12 The first secular activity was the murder of Abel, and out of that came secular music. Music is often a part of man's sin. God, however, has always involved music with worship. Music was created by God for one main purpose and that is to exalt Him in worship.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 11:24
Well so far its a tie 1 to 1 prog is evil vs biblical account is a lie. I have not voted but I think it is something to think about if you love music and what are the possible spiritual motovations behind the medium of music. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 11:44
Non  relavent but the huge post up there was interesting to read.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 13:06
^The same.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 21:12
Actually, most theologians DON'T believe that Lucifer had instruments built into his body. I challenge you to find a single one who does, because there are very few theologians who believe that angels have bodies in the first place. Very, very few people even think about Lucifer's relationship to music in the first place.

You have taken a couple of Biblical quotes and then gone on to make up a story based on them. The Bible never outright said that Lucifer was the music minister of heaven, and in fact if it had it would not be meant literally either, but in a general sense of giving praise to God.

Where do you get this crazy crap?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 21:15
Its not crazy crap it is an interesting read that is non relevant. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 10:05
That "crazy crap" comes from this book, I believe. It's interesting to some extent, but probably not very true.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 11:04
I have heard similar debates from the evangelical christian community before. This is nothing new, its been around since the 60's and 70's mostly buried. But its about as valid as alot of other philosophies and could offer insights into artists moral/spiritual values and the inspiration that encourages one or the vows that might open doors to worldly success.
 
sort of evangelists of darkness being exposed by evangelists of light, if you prescribe to the formula presented.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 22:11
Yeah, too bad no credible theologian (or Christian, for that matter) would say that Lucifer had a body.

"About as valid as a lot of other philosophies" has nothing to do with whether it is actually valid in the least.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 22:26
Interesting. Sounds like mythology or an anecdote more than anything to which I'd pay perticular attention.

This is ammunition for fundamentalists who think rock music is the music of Satan. After all, if David Bowie said it, then it must apply to all rock music, right?
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 22:41
Marillion springs to mind
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2007 at 05:30
Originally posted by Walri Walri wrote:

Actually, most theologians DON'T believe that Lucifer had instruments built into his body. I challenge you to find a single one who does, because there are very few theologians who believe that angels have bodies in the first place. Very, very few people even think about Lucifer's relationship to music in the first place.

You have taken a couple of Biblical quotes and then gone on to make up a story based on them. The Bible never outright said that Lucifer was the music minister of heaven, and in fact if it had it would not be meant literally either, but in a general sense of giving praise to God.

Where do you get this crazy crap?

Originally posted by Dallasbryan Dallasbryan wrote:

I have heard similar debates from the evangelical christian community before. This is nothing new, its been around since the 60's and 70's mostly buried. But its about as valid as alot of other philosophies and could offer insights into artists moral/spiritual values and the inspiration that encourages one or the vows that might open doors to worldly success.
 
sort of evangelists of darkness being exposed by evangelists of light, if you prescribe to the formula presented.



[QUOTE=Walri]Yeah, too bad no credible theologian (or Christian, for that matter) would say that Lucifer had a body.

"About as valid as a lot of other philosophies" has nothing to do with whether it is actually valid in the least.



Walri: A lot of other people think about Lucifer's relation to Rock, Jazz, blues etc... It is infact widely known as the devil's music. If all these 'credible' theologians are busy discussing whether angels have bodies or not, why should the rest of us care what they think about Lucifer's relation to music?

I've been googling for a fantastic book by portugese modernist Fernado Pessoa called the A Hora do Diablo (The Devil's Hour or Hour of the Devil). I have the norwegian version, but it seems it hasn't been translated into english. In this book the devil defends himself from the accuasations made by christians, and presents we get to know him as the moonside or nightside of god. The god for all artists and creativety/poetry/melancholy in general. This is not too unlike the jewish version of the devil.

I don't believe in any biblical god or devil. But someone (a christian?) calling this crazy crap, and denying the inspiration the bible's own devil has had on a huge amount of musicians and artists, can't be taken seriously. Well, the bible is obviously full of crazy crap, but that's probably not what you're talking about?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2007 at 12:50
Well the problem remains that he says "Many theologians believe Stan had pipes built into his body", but he doesn't back that up at all with any bible quote or anything. I am a Catholic, I have been surrounded by Catholics and tought by Cathlics my entire life, and I've never ever heard that--mainly because it's bloody stupid. Angels don't have bodies!

I saw nothing in those quotes that showed anything about Satan's musical ability, except that passing reference to stringed instruments. And Satan could not be perfect in every way. Only God is perfect.

Lots of people do think Rock et al is evil, but that doesn't ahve anything to do with this. They think it's evil because of the beat (Apparently it's sexual. I never thought of that aspect until I read it, and now I keep thinking of it whenever I listen to rock and it pisses me off.) that brings man down to his primal nature. Some people can get really worked up about this, and say some very silly things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2007 at 15:00

most theologist agree that Lucifer was the master musician and the leader of music in heaven. most of the comments here concern whether the instruments were part of his body: was he specially designed/created and/or the instruments designed/created for being chief musician. beyond what seems to be a hangup, instruments internal or external.  I think the overall picture/status represented is of more importance. If it is a possible truth/falasy of the spirituality behind one of lifes many mysteries. Many, many rock entertainers for instance claim to being mediums and/or under  control/guidance during performance and/or writing, beyond drinking or the normal affects of external stimuli.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2007 at 15:11
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Marillion springs to mind


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Walri: A lot of other people think about Lucifer's relation to Rock, Jazz, blues etc... It is infact widely known as the devil's music. If all these 'credible' theologians are busy discussing whether angels have bodies or not, why should the rest of us care what they think about Lucifer's relation to music?

I've been googling for a fantastic book by portugese modernist Fernado Pessoa called the A Hora do Diablo (The Devil's Hour or Hour of the Devil). I have the norwegian version, but it seems it hasn't been translated into english. In this book the devil defends himself from the accuasations made by christians, and presents we get to know him as the moonside or nightside of god. The god for all artists and creativety/poetry/melancholy in general. This is not too unlike the jewish version of the devil.

I don't believe in any biblical god or devil. But someone (a christian?) calling this crazy crap, and denying the inspiration the bible's own devil has had on a huge amount of musicians and artists, can't be taken seriously. Well, the bible is obviously full of crazy crap, but that's probably not what you're talking about?
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:


Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Marillion springs to mind
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 02:52
Trapeze's song Jury comes to mind from the Medusa album, 1970?
 
the lyrics are so occult you cant even find them on the internet.Evil Smile


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Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

Trapeze's song Jury comes to mind from the Medusa album, 1970?
 

the lyrics are so occult you cant even find them on the internet.[IMG]height=17 alt="Evil Smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>

    
So the internet doesn't support satan, good to know some envirements are satan-free
    







darn, some firewall/wormdetector tries to push me off the net.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 05:50
    Like most things in ancient religious texts, the value is more in metaphor than actual fact. Take from it what you can. But don't use it to say things like that's God's music, or that's the Devil's music.
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