Music, Angels and Lucifer

    Like most things in ancient religious texts, the value is more in metaphor than actual fact. Take from it what you can. But don't use it to say things like that's God's music, or that's the Devil's music.

Trapeze's song Jury comes to mind from the Medusa album, 1970?

Edited by DallasBryan - January 11 2007 at 02:54

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Walri: A lot of other people think about Lucifer's relation to Rock, Jazz, blues etc... It is infact widely known as the devil's music. If all these 'credible' theologians are busy discussing whether angels have bodies or not, why should the rest of us care what they think about Lucifer's relation to music?

I've been googling for a fantastic book by portugese modernist Fernado Pessoa called the A Hora do Diablo (The Devil's Hour or Hour of the Devil). I have the norwegian version, but it seems it hasn't been translated into english. In this book the devil defends himself from the accuasations made by christians, and presents we get to know him as the moonside or nightside of god. The god for all artists and creativety/poetry/melancholy in general. This is not too unlike the jewish version of the devil.

I don't believe in any biblical god or devil. But someone (a christian?) calling this crazy crap, and denying the inspiration the bible's own devil has had on a huge amount of musicians and artists, can't be taken seriously. Well, the bible is obviously full of crazy crap, but that's probably not what you're talking about?
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Edited by DallasBryan - January 11 2007 at 00:51

most theologist agree that Lucifer was the master musician and the leader of music in heaven. most of the comments here concern whether the instruments were part of his body: was he specially designed/created and/or the instruments designed/created for being chief musician. beyond what seems to be a hangup, instruments internal or external.  I think the overall picture/status represented is of more importance. If it is a possible truth/falasy of the spirituality behind one of lifes many mysteries. Many, many rock entertainers for instance claim to being mediums and/or under  control/guidance during performance and/or writing, beyond drinking or the normal affects of external stimuli.

Edited by DallasBryan - January 09 2007 at 17:41

Walri wrote: Actually, most theologians DON'T believe that Lucifer had instruments built into his body. I challenge you to find a single one who does, because there are very few theologians who believe that angels have bodies in the first place. Very, very few people even think about Lucifer's relationship to music in the first place. You have taken a couple of Biblical quotes and then gone on to make up a story based on them. The Bible never outright said that Lucifer was the music minister of heaven, and in fact if it had it would not be meant literally either, but in a general sense of giving praise to God. Where do you get this crazy crap? Dallasbryan wrote: I have heard similar debates from the evangelical christian community before. This is nothing new, its been around since the 60's and 70's mostly buried. But its about as valid as alot of other philosophies and could offer insights into artists moral/spiritual values and the inspiration that encourages one or the vows that might open doors to worldly success.   sort of evangelists of darkness being exposed by evangelists of light, if you prescribe to the formula presented. [QUOTE=Walri]Yeah, too bad no credible theologian (or Christian, for that matter) would say that Lucifer had a body. "About as valid as a lot of other philosophies" has nothing to do with whether it is actually valid in the least.

Walri: A lot of other people think about Lucifer's relation to Rock, Jazz, blues etc... It is infact widely known as the devil's music. If all these 'credible' theologians are busy discussing whether angels have bodies or not, why should the rest of us care what they think about Lucifer's relation to music?

I've been googling for a fantastic book by portugese modernist Fernado Pessoa called the A Hora do Diablo (The Devil's Hour or Hour of the Devil). I have the norwegian version, but it seems it hasn't been translated into english. In this book the devil defends himself from the accuasations made by christians, and presents we get to know him as the moonside or nightside of god. The god for all artists and creativety/poetry/melancholy in general. This is not too unlike the jewish version of the devil.

I don't believe in any biblical god or devil. But someone (a christian?) calling this crazy crap, and denying the inspiration the bible's own devil has had on a huge amount of musicians and artists, can't be taken seriously. Well, the bible is obviously full of crazy crap, but that's probably not what you're talking about?


Edited by Rocktopus - January 09 2007 at 06:15

Interesting. Sounds like mythology or an anecdote more than anything to which I'd pay perticular attention.

This is ammunition for fundamentalists who think rock music is the music of Satan. After all, if David Bowie said it, then it must apply to all rock music, right?
    

Edited by stonebeard - January 07 2007 at 22:26

I have heard similar debates from the evangelical christian community before. This is nothing new, its been around since the 60's and 70's mostly buried. But its about as valid as alot of other philosophies and could offer insights into artists moral/spiritual values and the inspiration that encourages one or the vows that might open doors to worldly success.

Edited by DallasBryan - January 07 2007 at 11:08

Its not crazy crap it is an interesting read that is non relevant. 

^The same.

Well so far its a tie 1 to 1 prog is evil vs biblical account is a lie. I have not voted but I think it is something to think about if you love music and what are the possible spiritual motovations behind the medium of music. 

Edited by DallasBryan - January 06 2007 at 11:26