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Posted: February 08 2007 at 05:18 |
As others pointed, this is a prog site. Should you be on Rate Yor Music, then rating on "progginess" might be somewhat shocking. But here, wxe are looking at prog music, searching, investigating, digging it out from the ground etc...
So judging on the music's prog criterias (this is what's meant by proggyness I suppose) is not only valid, but also a facor in the music's quality.
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It's entirely up to who adds artists on to Progarchives. If all agree that the music's not progressive - what the on earth is the artist doing on here in the first place? Surely the sole criteria should be voting on the albums that are listed here. (That's all we can do anyway).
There are lots of artists on Progarchives that I, personally, do not consider even remotely prog - even some of the more reverred ones. That's my opinion but it would, however, affect my rating if reviewing one of their releases.
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 04:15 |
Barla wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I think in a Prog site the proggyness of the music is very important if you are recomending albums or not. Even the star system here is technically judged by progressivness so I don't know what else you would expect really? |
Does the "proggyness" really care (except that the reader is a close minded)? After all, when you're reviewing the music, you're judging its QUALITY, not its "proggyness" (or at least I think it should be like that), am I right?
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As others pointed, this is a prog site. Should you be on Rate Yor Music, then rating on "progginess" might be somewhat shocking. But here, wxe are looking at prog music, searching, investigating, digging it out from the ground etc...
So judging on the music's prog criterias (this is what's meant by proggyness I suppose) is not only valid, but also a facor in the music's quality.
Albeit be noted that proggyness is not the main criteria in the quality of a music, not even a major one, but it has full rights to be judged upon the citerias that the site had decided as progressive and therefore why the albuml is in the first place in its database
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I judge music on it's quality, regardless of what it is. Good music is always good music. |
and prog is not always synomym of quality either.
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 03:57 |
Quality over proggines for me. A good non-prog album is always better than an average prog one.
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 03:44 |
SolariS wrote:
I think when rating albums, it should be based on the quality of the album. Sure, it's important to keep correct labels and things like that, but we trust our collaborators and specialists to make sure that stays in order. If you rate an album based on how it fits the genre, you are essentially rating the specialists' job of including the band where they did and not reviewing anything about the album itself....and that's what I think is a shame. A review based on proggyness is insignificant and meaningless to people who are just looking for good music.
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I could not agree more. It seems insane to vote an album down because it's not viewed as particularly progressive.
Well get real - if the albums included on this site, there is something progressively related regarding it, however tenuous, at least in the eyes of those who allowed the artist in - even prog related. To vote down, as an example, "Revolver" just because the reviewer excludes the albums prog qualities (whether they exist or not) is, in my eyes, madness. It also gives a false impression when looking at reviews stats. That is, if you take any creedence by these things, which I have to say I don't. But some will!
If it's on here then please review independently. The trouble is, some do it like I propose and some take the "how prog is it?" approach. Perhaps, for consistency, the moderators shpould take a lead and clarify the voting/review score procedure to encompass this?
It's only an idea.
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 00:07 |
Well, the thing is, 5 stars does not mean "This album has very high quality music on it" but "This album has very high quality prog music on it and is representative for prog music" so one should not be apalled by proggyness as a criteria. Secondly, I find this dichotomy you're proposing somewhat of a false dilema. You're implying that most of the times reviewers are having a hard time because they stumble upon good music that's not proggy enough, when that might not be the case (I'm saying not all 4 star albums would've been 5 stars one a non-prog site; most of them would still be 4 stars). Thirdly, what the walrus does one mean by proggyness?  Is it technicality? Is it something else? 'Cause I don't see how someone would say very often "Gee, this album is so prog, that even though the music on it is crap, I'm gonna name it prog masterpiece and rate it 5 stars!"
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Posted: February 08 2007 at 00:01 |
I judge music on it's quality, regardless of what it is. Good music is always good music.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 20:35 |
Grand Funk is a 5 star band for me. But I can't give 5 stars to the Red Album in a site like PA. So I would describe their sound and give my opinion about the quality of the music itself, but explaining the reasons why the album cited above can't receive more than 3 stars in a prog site context.
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 20:31 |
I have a lot of trouble giving 5 stars to an album ON THIS SITE that i think is not prog. In my mind it is a masterpiece, but I feel that on a prog music site, it would not be just to give it a Prog Masterpiece rating
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 20:31 |
I think when rating albums, it should be based on the quality of the album. Sure, it's important to keep correct labels and things like that, but we trust our collaborators and specialists to make sure that stays in order. If you rate an album based on how it fits the genre, you are essentially rating the specialists' job of including the band where they did and not reviewing anything about the album itself....and that's what I think is a shame. A review based on proggyness is insignificant and meaningless to people who are just looking for good music.
Edited by SolariS - February 07 2007 at 20:32
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 20:24 |
It doesn't matter how prog music is if its good. That being said, this is a prog type of site, so prog will be the most popular and most discussed
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 20:21 |
It's not my fault I don't like rock that's not prog.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 19:38 |
I don't rate based on proggyness, though I rarely give prog-related albums 5 stars since it's defined as a masterpiece of prog. However, I'll give more staight-forward albums from prog acts fair consideration and rate the quality.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 19:08 |
I only look for proggyness in an album. If there's any catchy melodies or lack of grating sxf, I can it. I don't have time for that kinda music!
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 19:01 |
Fassbinder wrote:
There are two different questions, in my opinion. The first one is: "Do you think this music is good?", whereas the second one is: "Do you think this music is progressive?".
Stating the attitude to the music/album/band/artist, one asks himself the first question. But, writing a review for the PA site, and giving album a certain number of stars, according to the certain site's guide-lines, one should ask the second question. |
I put it like this : 'Do you think this album is essential for a non prog music collection' and 'Do you think this album is essential for a prog music collection'. I think reviewers have to consider these questions. As mentioned there are people enjoy pop too for instance.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:58 |
There are two different questions, in my opinion. The first one is: "Do you think this music is good?", whereas the second one is: "Do you think this music is progressive?".
Stating the attitude to the music/album/band/artist, one asks himself the first question. But, writing a review for the PA site, and giving album a certain number of stars, according to the certain site's guide-lines, one should ask the second question.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:56 |
Of course progressivism is important, it's the very life blood of a site like this. One can, at the same time, love all sorts of music.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:50 |
'proggy' as in 'fitting the prog rock definition'? I guess that's pretty important since the rating scale specifies that it's being recommended(or not) for a strictly prog collection. So if an album isn't prog rock at all, however brilliant it is on this site's scale it can;t be rated more than 3 stars. Personally, I couldn't care less, as long as its good.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:32 |
Quality of the album or song, obviously if it's a for a Prog site Point of View, then Progness as well, but Quality more important IMO.
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:32 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I think in a Prog site the proggyness of the music is very important if you are recomending albums or not. Even the star system here is technically judged by progressivness so I don't know what else you would expect really?
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Does the "proggyness" really care (except that the reader is a close minded)? After all, when you're reviewing the music, you're judging its QUALITY, not its "proggyness" (or at least I think it should be like that), am I right?
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Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:30 |
I totally agree - the important thing is: Is The Music Good?
And if it is, then it doesn't matter what the genre is.
I love prog, because that type of music stirs my emotions, but not all prog is good, and there are many other genres I enjoy too.
But I suppose on this site, being, as it is, a prog site, the music will be judged on its proggishness at the end of the day.
I can't stand acts like Brittany Spears, but, if she ever produced a song or album that I did like, I would admit it, I wouldn't hide it. 
It all depends on the quality of the music, not the 'designer label' or 'genre tag'. 
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