"Proggyness"

Well, the thing is, 5 stars does not mean "This album has very high quality music on it" but "This album has very high quality prog music on it and is representative for prog music" so one should not be apalled by proggyness as a criteria.

Secondly, I find this dichotomy you're proposing somewhat of a false dilema. You're implying that most of the times reviewers are having a hard time because they stumble upon good music that's not proggy enough, when that might not be the case (I'm saying not all 4 star albums would've been 5 stars one a non-prog site; most of them would still be 4 stars).

Thirdly, what the walrus does one mean by proggyness? Is it technicality? Is it something else? 'Cause I don't see how someone would say very often "Gee, this album is so prog, that even though the music on it is crap, I'm gonna name it prog masterpiece and rate it 5 stars!"


Edited by Asphalt - February 08 2007 at 00:08

Quality over proggines for me. A good non-prog album is always better than an average prog one.

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You know what? I think this comes down to the age old question fo what is prog and what is progressive, yes they can be one and the same but also they can be 2 differnt ends of a stick.

I don't think there is anyone here in the site that rates the albums based on progressiveness. Sometimes people use the argument of progressiveness in their reviews because they do not think the band is good enough to get a 5 star rating.

Take the non-prog albums from the top prog bands. I don't see people thinking the album is a masterpiece and giving 2 stars because the albums are not progressive. People generally try to find some prog elements to justify to other prog users why one likes the album (as if admitting one likes a non-prog album in front of thousands of prog fans to be a shame) or says that the album is pop and it is good, but very far from their prog masterpieces, but never seem for example: "I think Abacab as good as Foxtrot, but I will give it just 2 stars because it isn't prog". Even those who are worried about progressiveness are not consistent.

So for me progressiveness is not and will never be used correctly and do not bother when you read someone giving a lower rating to an album based on progressiveness, because this person means that he doesn't like that album/band very much.

"What's more important than how progressive they are is how good their music is?"

 

 

 

odd question...?

 

on a Prog Rock web site i would have thought "proggyness" was an important factor,  how good "they" are musically is another matter to be judged by the listener - some very progressive albums are downright awful, but many around the borders, such as Proto-Prog and Prog-related, are brilliant.

 

"proggyness" is one thing -  good or bad music is another.

 

reviews ratings should reflect musical quality, except in the case of a prog-related album, two ratings can be given, one for musical quality/historical importance, one for prog influence - 100% prog albums may be rated on their musical quality only - that's what i do anyway, lest someone complains of a 5 star rating for a prog-related album.

 

clear as mud, ain't it?

 

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Edited by mystic fred - February 08 2007 at 07:40

I agree that the quality of the music should be the main factor when reviewing an album but  when reviewing for this site I do take into account how prog an album is. Take my review for the Pagans Mind album Infinity Divine, its a decent alum and worthy of 3 stars IMO but its only prog in one or two places I find so I knocked it down to two satrs as t would be misleading to say it was good example of progressive metal when it isnt really progressive, though of course, this should always be mentioned and I do take care to try and get this point across.

Barla wrote: Snow Dog wrote: I think in a Prog site the proggyness of the music is very important if you are recomending albums or not. Even the star system here is technically judged by progressivness so I don't know what else you would expect really? Does the "proggyness" really care (except that the reader is a close minded)? After all, when you're reviewing the music, you're judging its QUALITY, not its "proggyness" (or at least I think it should be like that), am I right?

If the music is listed on this site, I assume that the band submission team is justified in believing that the band is sufficiently progressive. From here, I rate according to how much the music appeals to me.