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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 15:01
^^^Nicely putClap The metric must follow the music, not viceversa.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 14:58

awkward timesignatures are easy to understand and are not awkward, they reveal no musical intelligence in someone except that they do study and try to step out of the box from other music. The talent comes when you no longer try to write in awkward timesignatures but do anyway... The best thing to do is wright without a time signature and follow the feeling of the song, don't force your music to follow rules and you will naturally write in unique ways, but even so, it is the uniqueness of your chord structure that counts.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 14:51
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Playing out of 3/4 or 4/4 naturally takes special creative talent that one is born with. Also, recognize that the generally speaking, from childhood, we are exposed to 4/4 and 3/4 rhythms only. 


I disagree, and this "certain people are born with" thing can only lead to hero worship. ;P any idiot can become adept at playing in any signature, all it takes is practise.


Ummm..no.   Maybe you've never been around a person with natural talent. It is astonishing. 

And no, not everyone can become adept at it, regardless of practice. I been around and have seen those who can, and those who can't. That's like saying anyone can become a good painter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 10:41
Try playing with other people, see how they work & get inspiration from them.

I personally get never get a great creative concept without some sort of influence that I can absorb and learn from- so you can't rely on other people's suggestions- It's a matter of trying things and experiencing them.

Draw inspiration from around you. There are countless ways to make new music even in 4/4.

Don't pressure yourself into trying to come up with some extremely new and undiscovered form of music- it's not really possible.
Music is a constant evolution- taking in influences from other types to create something new. You can't create a new species without a long period of interbreeding and refinement- This applies to music as well.

The best information I can personally give you is to diversify the music you listen to. Once you do this- analyze the new music and find how it works- You can combine even small elements from other music into your own music and be very original.

With King Crimson for example- The instruments and knowledge of classical music & folk had been around, as were the instruments of rock- it was all a matter of smashing them together in a certain way.

I've always thought that everything in music, apart from maybe new technology, is always there- it's just a matter of doing something different with the same things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 10:24
Honestly, still being in high school here, the best guys I've seen are all in band.  Most guys who just pick up drums and start going can only do the 4/4 hi-hat/snare beat that you hear everywhere.  The guys in band, being taught how to read music and such, playing percussion (bells, xylophones, timpani), are all better drummers than those with informal training.  Maybe you could look up if there's any people in your area who went to your college, Berkely, or any other arts/music college.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 10:18
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Playing out of 3/4 or 4/4 naturally takes special creative talent that one is born with. Also, recognize that the generally speaking, from childhood, we are exposed to 4/4 and 3/4 rhythms only. 


I disagree, and this "certain people are born with" thing can only lead to hero worship. ;P any idiot can become adept at playing in any signature, all it takes is practise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 10:13
Playing out of 3/4 or 4/4 naturally takes special creative talent that one is born with. Also, recognize that the generally speaking, from childhood, we are exposed to 4/4 and 3/4 rhythms only. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 10:09
Originally posted by timesignature timesignature wrote:

Why do the drummers where I live suck! They just bang around and the only time signature they can play is 4/4, most don't even know what a time signature is!
Everyone here is tonedeaf and they know absolutey nothing about music theory!Angry
Maybe it's normal to be the only one who knows anything in your local area... My dad has his masters degree in music theory, and I used to live in knoxville, Tennessee where there are schools of the arts where I studied classical and jazz piano... maybe I'm just lucky to have had some musical education..
but I want to know more, and no one here can teach me. I want to know new ways to experiment with my music. Irregular time signatures, polytonality, and poly rhythm have already been done... I need a new unique idea.Ermm
 
Obviously, you need to take up drumming for yourself, but whatever instrument you prefer at the moment, you will also have to play it,  You'll be playing with yourself.  That can be quite fun musically or otherwise.Big%20smile  
 
I am a strictly an improvisational player and would not work well in a band.  I have jammed with others including my brother, a drummer, in the '80's.  I'm fairly certain you wouldn't be happy with him.
 
On a serious note, I do play with myself musically speaking.  Would love to find a good and economical drum machine....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 10:07
I am trying, on multiple instruments. I play electric guitar, and play mostly progressive rock, acoustic, and I actually play a style of my own which is kinda like blue grass picking but with an eerie sound. I have grown intrest in African and Indian drumming and hope to one day find someone to teach me these styles. I also play the cello. It is hard though to form an idea of your own when everything you write shows influence of other artists. I don't want to be influence, I want to be the one who influences others. I don't want people to say my music sounds like Cage, Dave Brubeck, or Dream Theater... I want it to be my sound. I have composed music since I remember... mostly ragtime and jazz for piano, but recently a lot of progressive rock. I am best at makeing the music instead of playing, therefore I need band members but it is to hard to get people who actually know what they're doing to cooperate and not interfere with my ideas... that may seem selfish but its how I truly feel.Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 09:53

You really remind me of an Italian contemporary painter, widely considered a master in abstract or informal art: Lucio Fontana. After experimenting several new ways in painting and sculpture, he found his own successful one - the "Concetto Spaziale" (Space Concept) - just by cutting or punchind the canvas directly. That's just to say: do you really need "irregular time signatures, polytonality and poly rhythm" to make something new in music?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 09:48
There's nothing you can learn anymore eh? Then start composing. Or get a new instrument. Seriously though, there's always something to learn. Sit in front of your piano and start playing something that no-one would play because it's impossible, and learn that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2007 at 09:44
Why do the drummers where I live suck! They just bang around and the only time signature they can play is 4/4, most don't even know what a time signature is!
Everyone here is tonedeaf and they know absolutey nothing about music theory!Angry
Maybe it's normal to be the only one who knows anything in your local area... My dad has his masters degree in music theory, and I used to live in knoxville, Tennessee where there are schools of the arts where I studied classical and jazz piano... maybe I'm just lucky to have had some musical education..
but I want to know more, and no one here can teach me. I want to know new ways to experiment with my music. Irregular time signatures, polytonality, and poly rhythm have already been done... I need a new unique idea.Ermm
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