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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66755 |
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I feel like Indiana Jones discovering the Temple of Doom. I know that the whole forum is basically a King Crimson appreciation thread, but seems a shame that one of the top PA prog bands doesn't have its active appreciation thread alive and kickin'.
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TGM: Orb ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
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Just put on The Power To Believe for the first time, not knowing what to expect, since I've got nothing after Beat.
'By giving me back the power to believe...' Boom An opening explosion worthy of Fly On A Windshield or Schizoid Man. 'Classic' Crimson. I love it so far. |
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superprog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 07 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1354 |
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hey lets petition them to have a special KC remix project, make that a dbl cd of remixes by selected relevant artistes and fans of KC's work.........can invite ppl like Tortoise, Steve Wilson, Helge Sten/Deathprod, Mogwai, Autechre, Merzbow, etc etc etc to have a go!!!
SACRILEGE!!!! but thats the title of Can's remix album too hehehe.............
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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that is great they have done that... sort of surprised other groups haven't followed their lead. Especially with the official 'bootlegs' Magma has to a lesser extent.. and those are frickin incredible. Imagine how people would go goo-goo ga-ga over a wealth of Genesis or Yes live material like that. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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So am I and sadly Robert has his own timetable and Crimson is nothing to be rushed. |
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A B Negative ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
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No KC fan posts for ages, need to do something about that!
I just bought The Collectable King Crimson Volume Two, a live double CD comprising the first gig from the Fripp/Belew/Levin/Bruford line-up in Bath in 1981 (when they were still called Discipline) and another gig from Philadephia in 1982. They're great performances, even if the recording quality of the Bath gig is a bit dodgy (and they do drift away from the beat once or twice, but it was their first gig). My point though: there are so many KC live recordings now that it's overwhelming. There are 76 recordings currently available to download from the DGM website! Does anyone have any favourites they'd recommend? |
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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^ Of course the influencial was also influenced. But Raindance say that King Crimson is "hardly" original. They're in fact original, for better or worse. As you said Febus, King Crimson was influenced by some of those bands, but also incorporated a lot of several and diverses influences from many other bands and mixed them creating an own style. How a band with this charasteristic couldn't be original? You can perfectly dislike them, but you also can reckon that they have an unique style of music, even if you don't like or get them.
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The best you can is good enough...
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febus ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: January 23 2007 Location: Orlando-Usa Status: Offline Points: 4312 |
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That's a very difficult debate
![]() Of course KC was original, but external influences cannot be dismissed like everybody else; even the BEATLES at the beginning heard something on the radio from some rock n rollers from the 50s and adapt upon them before finding their own way. everybody has to start from some base.
So i will say everybody is right! The melloton used on ITCOTCK of course will automatically remind us of the MOODY BLUES who were the pioneers., but KC added their own personality.
Anyway, i always have considered NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN as the grand mother of prog, and a cute one, too
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rileydog22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
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An excerpt of an interview with Peter Banks:
-In May '69, King Crimson played their 'Marquee debut' and apparently their show provoked a big impact on Yes. Can you remember that particular show? It wasn't at The Marquee, it was at the Speakeasy (April, 9th, 1969). I think their first ever gig was at the Speakeasy. -Yes, thats right. And I know I was there and Bill (Bruford) was there. I don't think Chris (Squire) was there. And I remember standing at the bar of the Speakeasy, which was a tiny little club, I mean, it was basically a restaurant with a bar and a tiny, tiny stage. Which actually Yes, when the Speakeasy re-opened after they had a fire, I think we went to play at The Speakeasy on the opening night and we actually helped to paint the stage 'cause Roy Flynn was saying: 'Come on, come on' you know, running late and I remember us picking up the paint brush and Jon (Anderson) was going 'We are painting stages' and we had to play later that night. With Crimson, I met Fripp a few times, he used to come to see Yes at The Marquee. And I didn't know Fripp was a guitar player, I didn't know much about him. He used to come and he was always wearing a cape, like a cloak with a hood, like a monk. And he had little glasses on, like John Lennon, and he was very tense and he always talked to me after the show and we would talk about guitar strings and guitars, all that kind of stuff. And he was quite nice but seemed a little eccentric and I didn't know much about Crimson, but I do knew that we was putting some sort of band together, I didn't know much more about it than that. And they had very secretive rehearsals. I've known Greg (Lake), 'cause he was with a band from Bournemouth called The Gods. Chris (Squire) and I knew Greg. I think that was the very first gig King Crimson ever did, certainly the first night I saw them, and it was absolutely amazing! And I was standing at the bar with a drink and I never touch my drink throughout the whole set, I just stood there in total amazement. Bill (Bruford) was standing next to me, I think, and we just stood there kind of open mouthed and... I think all of us were there. And we just watched them and immediately we were just amazed about how tight they were, and how good they were, and how good the composition was, and how original they sounded, and we just realized immediately... We thought that we were the best band around, and we probably were. We were pretty confident, as far as London bands went, that Yes were the one. We thought that nobody else was better than us. Crimson tore all that apart. I think we actually said that night we needed to rehearse a lot more. -It was a reality check. Yes, exactly, and I think we may have cancelled some gigs, I'm not sure about it, but we went into pretty intensive London rehearsals. At that time we were rehearsing at Roy Flynn's basement, at the place he used to live in Putney and we kind of turn it into, not exactly a studio, but we could keep the equipment set up. And we became very critical, we became our worst critics because it really shocked us. You know: 'Why are we not this good?'. And it would cause arguments and we started re-arranging things, writing more stuff and all that kind of thing. Sounds to me like King Crimson had a pretty big impact on Yes. |
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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^ Just following some logic. Have you heard Lizard? If yes, then I dunno how you dare to say that KC is hardly original; if not, go and do it!!
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raindance ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 24 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 443 |
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Your statement is a bit hypocritical to say the least!
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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And what have you heard on early King Crimson? Evidently, at least you've never heard Lizard.
The fact that Procol Harum, Moody Blues, The Nice among other bands made progressive music before King Crimson, doesn't mean that KC were in fact influenced by those bands. |
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raindance ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 24 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 443 |
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Why do you have to read autobiographical texts to spot the influence of bands? Just listen to them and their music, and you will realize that many bands were later ruled by KC. Sometimes musicians don't reckon their influences, or just some of them. ![]() [/QUOTE] All I hear on early King Crimson is heavy Moody Blue's, The Nice & Procal Harum influences.
Hardly original!
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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Stop saying lol dude lol...... Putting an emoticon lol is always better lol.
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kaostheory ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 21 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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lol yay for sircosic and and everything he stands for lol well done dude sorry i am not trying to flame but i see where you are coming from
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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Why do you have to read autobiographical texts to spot the influence of bands? Just listen to them and their music, and you will realize that many bands were later ruled by KC. Sometimes musicians don't reckon their influences, or just some of them. ![]() |
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kaostheory ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 21 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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wow lol it sounds amazing i cant wait to hear it lol
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febus ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: January 23 2007 Location: Orlando-Usa Status: Offline Points: 4312 |
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Yep! Having listened only to ITCOTCK is not enough to tell KC rule; because you may like what comes after......maybe you won't!!!
![]() KING CRIMSON is not always talking to the wind with a Moonchild under its arm;
......... they fracture a lot of red vroom-wroom with a lizard under strict discipline as well, so be prepared!!!!!
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kaostheory ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 21 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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i really want to hear red but i cant get my hands on it at the moment
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Floydian42 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 846 |
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Especially red. |
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