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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 21:04
Genesis takes the cake for bad album covers. they might mean well, or have a deaper meaning as to the music inside but man are they ugly. Tresspass is really bad, foxtrot is laughable, Nursury Cryme is pathetic, and The Lamb is very uninspired./ besides most cheese metal prog with dragons and fairies and big swords, genesis has, imo, lowered the bar significantly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 21:38

If they had pared that list down to 9, they could have listed a fair amount of the really bad prog covers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 21:45
^ hahha.... if they knew more than the same old same old of of dear old England.. and America (Kansas?.. come on.. what was wrong with that cover)  ... they could have expanded it to 50 LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:00
I personally think Tarkus`s cover is awful and that`s quite a pity becouse is a 5 star album, and the inner pictures showing how tarkus becomes aquatarkus .... come on !!!!! THEY SUCK.
 
What I DON´T like is that they also started bashing on the music as usual.Is it a national sport among americans to criticise prog?In my country they don`t even know what prog is!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:22
Ah well, not everyone can appreciate the classiness of Prog covers.

Some others for consideration

   

Okay, not the best picks over all.








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:24
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

I personally think Tarkus`s cover is awful and that`s quite a pity becouse is a 5 star album, and the inner pictures showing how tarkus becomes aquatarkus .... come on !!!!! THEY SUCK.
 
What I DON´T like is that they also started bashing on the music as usual.Is it a national sport among americans to criticise prog?In my country they don`t even know what prog is!!
 
Whatch yourself buddy, the majority of members on this site are americans!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:26
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

What I DON´T like is that they also started bashing on the music as usual.Is it a national sport among americans to criticise prog?In my country they don`t even know what prog is!!
It is a humor website in addition to being informative. Why does it upset you that they are poking at the music some too? Can you not take a joke?
 
While on the subject, why do so many prog fans have such an incredible martyrdom complex? I've seen "Everyone but us hates prog abloo bloo bloo" expressed so many times on this website (I've been here longer than my join date would make it seem), yet in almost all my experiences, if you play something that isn't too extreme in any direction, people are somewhat receptive to it. But even if they weren't, the only time I've ever seen someone's opinion of a person change over musical taste is on the internet or among 15 year olds, which, not coincidentally, are groups that often intersect.
 
I don't mean for that to be an attack on crimson87 or anyone else on this site; it's just a general atmosphere that I find baffling.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:29
Originally posted by Salvo_ Salvo_ wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Salvo_ Salvo_ wrote:

Ridiculous prog album covers implies they are talking about prog art, not albums that are prog.
no it doesn't....  a 'prog album cover.. implies.. the cover of a prog rock album. LOL
But Love Beach is still tangential to the point they are trying to make. :P
 
 
Yes of course it's tangential, their point is that any well elaborate artistic and descriptive  cover is cjeesy, that everything related with Prog is self indulgent.
 
I honestly don't care about their artivcles, neither I enjoy them, they are not trying to make a joke, they are being harsh. What I read hear is the same crap I read in Blender orother crappy magazines when they talk about Prog, only uncalled attacks.
 
As a fact I seen some funny sites where they are informed, this guys don't know what they are talking about, they haven't even read the lyrics or the song titles to know if there's a reason for the cover.
 
Wouldn't insult them, wouldn't reply to their posts, because I don't want to give them more clicks.
 
But back to the theme, their point is to piss some progheads so they got violent replies and more clicks, something they wouldn't achieve with Love Beach art cover, because modst Progheads will agree.Wink
 
BTW: Neither Syteely Dan or their art covers have relation with Prog,
 
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

Genesis takes the cake for bad album covers. they might mean well, or have a deaper meaning as to the music inside but man are they ugly. Tresspass is really bad, foxtrot is laughable, Nursury Cryme is pathetic, and The Lamb is very uninspired./ besides most cheese metal prog with dragons and fairies and big swords, genesis has, imo, lowered the bar significantly.
 
It's obvious you don't like Paul Whitehead paintings, but calling Trespass a bad painting is really strange, this is one of the most delicate works of art, which I have seen.
 
 
The pale blue main color creates the perfect contrast with the view from the windows, the characters in blñack and white  are delicate and subtle, almost atmospheric or ethereal (if you notice, you can't almost see the feet and of course there's no floor), everything is calmed with some mystery, except the knife which irrupts in the scene as a touch of violence........Wow, exactly as the album music.
 
BTW: Genesis, Le Orme, VDGG, Quaam, Clearlight and least 20 other bands have selected him for the covers because of his descriptive detailled work, characteristic of a muralist which casually is his main occupation.
 
This is a competitive ocupation and the guy is still being requested by several artists............There must be a reason.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:44
No, Ivan, I'm positive they're trying to funny, not in a satirical way, but that doesn't mean they're dead serious. Have you ever considered that they're coming from the point of view of someone outside prog, which is what makes them look so silly?  It doesn't matter if there's a lyrical tie-in, Tarkus is still a silly cover. I think that Steely Dan cover was very early prog.
 
Really, haven't you ever read The Onion? I think perhaps you need to lighten up a bit. They are not trying to offend you.
 
Trespass is good, although pretentious. I'm not saying he's a bad artist, but H to He and Nursery Cryme are ugly, ugly covers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:47
"...rendered in what appears to be magic marker"   

LOL

bad covers? 

- Argent's 'Ring of Hands'      ..p.u.
- 'Drama'     ..what's that all about Rog?  Looks like a poster for 'Cat People'
- 'Free Hand'    ..oookay
- 'A'     ..yeah


-      and the Nice never seemed to have a good designer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:50
Originally posted by ClassicRocker ClassicRocker wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

They didn't exactly delve very far, no.

What I've always hated about that Rush cover is the "gentleman" figure, which has been repeated since over scores of other prog covers and never well.

I actually find the gentleman on that cover is derivative itself - it looks like a pretty close rip-off of a similar figure in Floyd's WYWH  artwork (not the cover).

It is derivative indeed, but of Magritte paintings



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:50
Originally posted by Salvo_ Salvo_ wrote:

 
Really, haven't you ever read The Onion? I think perhaps you need to lighten up a bit. They are not trying to offend you.
 
Of course they are not trying to offend me, neither they can, they are making a business
 
Trespass is good, although pretentious. I'm not saying he's a bad artist, but H to He and Nursery Cryme are ugly, ugly covers.
 
Trespass pretentious? It's barely a sketch, most of the effect is caused by the contrast between a pale blue background, two windows and very simple drawings of two characters, that's all, you can't get anything simpler but effective.
 
Abnd the knoife, well it's shocking as the soong, that's what the artist tried to do.
 
I don't see anything pretentious, and even if it is, Prog is pretentious, the Prog bands PRETEND to do something trascendental (At least has survived for 40 + years)  instead of music for shaking the butt, that will be fashion for some months and vanish, and the reason why I listen them. Wink
 
If all musicians followed thre mainstream, this will be a boring world, why in hell must all the covers have the faces of the musicians, that's lack of imagination.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:55
I will say though.. .some of the comments on  the albums themselves are quite shrewd.. much more than you find from say... many posters here. LOL  Satirical perhaps.. but the person who wrote it knew the albums. the music.. the groups. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 23:10
Then you shouldn't be offended, Ivan.
 
It's a little bit pretentious because it's monks and stuff. But that's ok, I was just saying.
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I will say though.. .some of the comments on  the albums themselves are quite shrewd.. much more than you find from say... many posters here. LOL  Satirical perhaps.. but the person who wrote it knew the albums. the music.. the groups. 
This is what I've been trying to say all along.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 23:11
as to the cover of "H to He...":
(excerpt of an interview with Paul Whitehead)

JC: Next, you did the H to He album. How did you get hooked up with Van Der Graaf?

PW: Through Genesis.

JC: So, were those two bands pals, were they sociable?

PW: Oh sure, yeah. And they did those tours, the five shilling tour or whatever.

JC: Uh, six bob. With Lindisfarne.

PW: Right, whatever it was... And, really, it was the same thing - John Anthony said "you should get this guy to do your next album cover." So I got together with Peter (Hammill) and we hit it off, we had the same kind of taste and ideas. (For H to He) I actually had a painting. I'd done that painting earlier for myself. I'm a Libra and that was my interpretation of the birth of Libra, I think it was called 'Birthday'. (The eye beam) goes right down to London. I visualized my birth, that was me being born.
JC: So what are the two legs hanging down?

PW: That was me. (both laugh)

JC: Obviously the inside cover is inspired by 'Pioneers over c'? "Fingers groping for the galaxy"?

PW: Right.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2008 at 00:20
Originally posted by Salvo_ Salvo_ wrote:

Then you shouldn't be offended, Ivan.
 
I'm not offended, just tired of listening always the same nonsense.
 
It's a little bit pretentious because it's monks and stuff. But that's ok, I was just saying.
 
Hey Salvo, are you looking at he same cover? What monks, is only a couple who´s peace is suddenly interrupted by the knife (A revolution). Big%20smile
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2008 at 00:59
I have the Trespass cover (a print really) framed and hanging in my bedroom.  Articles like this one I agree Ivan are just ways to attack the music.  When they came out they were eye catching.  People who weren't alive then don't understand in my opinion. Sorry if that offends you.  Maybe they are retro now or whatever you think but they were pretty cool back then.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2008 at 01:04
@ Ivan.

I may have gotten a little carried away, its not the worst genesis cover there(probably the best on the list) but its still very borring. ethereal figures? i find them to be very weighted and heavy, their isn't much movment in their cloths and the thick, static lines really weigh them down. they look like statues. the pale blue is a good choice for color because, like the rest of it, nothing is happening. it just looks so flat and lifeless to me. the knife was a good choice tho and the only thing that provides relief from the bordom.
i stand by what i said about the other album covers tho, really horrendous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2008 at 04:48
The article is OK and quite fun, IMHO- they're not really making fun of the music itself. I don't think stuff like 'Tormato' can seriously be defended! The tedious 'hipster' types that have posted comments below the article are; notice how they use their supposed indie/punk musical tastes to show how 'cool' they are. If there's one thing I hate, it's that- those people are into fashion, not music.
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