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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 12:35
That reminds me - do you still have my candy-pink nail varnish?

Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Bloody outrageous! Everybody knows under a pile of socks is the correct place to keep all spare keys..

I can't find the spare keys...........................Confused


Look in the tumble dryer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 16:26
You have an Utility Room? Shocked

What's wrong with the cupboard under the stairs?

Jim, I see you've found Ben in your Utility Room, how on earth did he get there?

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Blimey!  If that's what listening to Rush does to someone, I think I'll steer clear of 'em!

Here's what 20 years of listening to Pendragon and Pallas do to you though:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 16:39
Funny, James, when you weren't logged on at 3 AM last night I was concerned.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 16:43
James you look utterly stoned.. or is that your 'rock'nroll face'


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 16:43
I was playing a computer game until about 10 a.m., that's why.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 16:44
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

James you look utterly stoned.. or is that your 'rock'nroll face'




That was a few pints of Real Ale and the fact I blinked. LOL  I always look stupid and dumb in photos... oh wait!

Damn it, I look devilishly white, do I not?  Ouch.  I think I need a holiday in Cambodia... LOLEmbarrassed


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 17:20
Rach, are you busy this week?  I was curious whether you wanted to meet up at The Red Lion?  It'll be just me though.

'tis up to you.  It may be welcome break from clearing out the Utility Room.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 11:39
OK, so I have a very serious question, I would like to ask the Grey Roomers.  Maybe there is no easy answer to this one, but I would be most interested in your thoughts on this subject....Ermm
 
As many of you may know, the Youth Hostel is given over to family groups, every weekend of the year, who are able to hire it as a large 'holiday cottage', to look after, while I am on my days off.  In general, the hostel is booked by polite, responsible, well educated, broad-sheet reading professional people, with posh cars, who bring their kids away for a get together weekend with ex-University friends etc.
 
Now, one regularly occurring theme, is that they have teenagers with them.  Now, often (but not always) the teenagers a) have been brought here under duress b) have running battles of will with their parents c) don't want to go to bed/ get up in the morning/ sit down for meals/ go for a walk/ take part in any of the activities, and occupy themselves in acts of petty vandalism... (sometimes) resulting in deeply apologetic parents offering to pay for the breakages and amount of cleaning their errant teens have left me to do.
 
Over the past two weekends however, there has been a marked change.... teens up early in the morning, washing up, making the sandwiches, involving themselves in the organisation, looking after granny and generally being polite and courteous to all they meet.
 
Why would that be? I hear you ask....well, they were both Christian groups...
 
My question to you is...what is it about Christianity that is able to bring about such social order? Why does it take a sincere belief  in an imaginary spirit to make teenagers comparatively so well behaved? Why is secularism/ humanism/ agnosticism singularly failing in this regard?....Surely, what I am witnessing, is a microcosm of why it is safe to walk around Madrid, Prague or even Naples (still, fairly religious cities) on your own after midnight, when you wouldn't dream of doing the same in Birmingham??
 
I will just say that I am NOT a christian...I am agnostic, and thank God every day that I'm allowed to live in a secular society....but I'm sure you'll all agree that this is a fundamental problem, and I'd really appreciate your views....Confused


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 11:55
To be honest Fanny, the Christians I know are always late,  never wipe thier feet on the way in, never offer to help with the washing up, and are fussy eaters............... either you or me have a rogue batch of christians!Ermm 
 
Coincidence I reckon,  pm me seperately about the family groups thing, I am trying to get the......family in to the idea of Y-Hing for the times when it's just too darn cold to camp! 
 
James, cool idea, I have a HEAP of editing to do before the boss arrives home, so can I let you know later in the week?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 12:17
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

 
My question to you is...what is it about Christianity that is able to bring about such social order? Why does it take a sincere belief  in an imaginary spirit to make teenagers comparatively so well behaved?
 
Fear of retribution.  Shocked
 
Sincere belief in a religion provides the one thing missing in today's society: fear of punishment if you mis behave.  It's as simple as that.
 
Having said that I have no time for organised religion for many reasons; however I sincerely believe that schools should have the cane (or at least the threat of it) and courts should have the powers to make the life of chav scum hell on earth until they behave. Clap
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 12:29
Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

My question to you is...what is it about Christianity that is able to bring about such social order? Why does it take a sincere belief  in an imaginary spirit to make teenagers comparatively so well behaved?
Fear of retribution.  Shocked
Sincere belief in a religion provides the one thing missing in today's society: fear of punishment if you mis behave.  It's as simple as that.


I think the steam driven one has a point; there's also the factor that Christian parents tend to have a strong sense of family. This is not exclusive to those who bother God, but you find those who value family as a unit (be they a religious or secular family) spend more time with their children (as opposed to just allowing them to run riot) & instil a modicum of courtesy an respect (another 2 things sadly missing from a majority of society)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 13:19
Well I've been brought up with morals and all the correct factors and I'm an aetheist, so it's not always the case, Jared (and I do buy my own chips, before you mention that!).

Neil has it correct though, although so does Rachel.  I guess it depends on which Christians you meet.

Being Christian however shouldn't be the only reason, as we all are quite well aware of.  All families should have morals and respect others property.

If they're allowed to destroy the Youth Hostel, then in my eyes, you are fully welcome in the child's own bedroom to destroy it.

Fairs fair.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 13:22
Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

 
Fear of retribution.  Shocked
 
Sincere belief in a religion provides the one thing missing in today's society: fear of punishment if you mis behave.  It's as simple as that.
 
 
yes, that's a very good point....David Hume's atheistic ideas were considered socially corrosive by his contempraries, because the only thing that kept the labourer from walking away from his back breaking drudgery in the field, was the thought of a better lot in the next life... take away religion, and they'd all want to live in large manor houses in this life, if its the only one they thought they were going to get...
 
...hence the origins of the French Revolution...
 
I guess its just that I seam to get an endless stream of (relatively) cash rich, time poor professionals here at weekends... thoroughly nice people with (at times) dreadful parenting problems, with children you'd never term 'chav scum' yet seam quite alienated and disillusioned with their lot in life...Confused
 
and Rachel, you and the family can come and stay here during the week FOC...it will be a pleasure to meet you...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 13:27
Jared, it's seem, not seamWink

What are stag parties like?  Apparently my brother stayed in a YH in Oxfordshire recently as part of a stag do.  I was curious to know whether the children were better behaved than the drunken adults! Wink

How's your MySpace going?  Let me know if you want any further assistance.

Rach, yes, the end of the week is fine, just let me know in advance if you can though.  You have my number, so you can text as well.  Cheers!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 13:56
I think it's proof that brainwashing works. Stern%20Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 14:04
^^^so maybe our society needs a few more brainwashed teens, to hold it's fabric together for another generation...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 14:16
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

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I guess its just that I seam to get an endless stream of (relatively) cash rich, time poor professionals here at weekends... thoroughly nice people with (at times) dreadful parenting problems, with children you'd never term 'chav scum' yet seam quite alienated and disillusioned with their lot in life...Confused
 
and Rachel, you and the family can come and stay here during the week FOC...it will be a pleasure to meet you...Wink
 
Where I was previously billeted in my ickle cottage by the sea, the village was 80% non residential, meaning that 80% of the quaint fishing cottages (or hude manor-esque houses) were "holiday homes" to the idle rich........... we used to love things like Easter Weekend, where you could see the families disintegrate! London families with 2 professional parents and kids who were used to either a) private school or b) the nanny....... Good Firday they'd all be jolly and smiley, by Sunday you could tell they were SO unused to spending time together and snappy and miserable, and by Monday they'd be relieved to go home and back to their fairly seperate lives!
As a family growing up we spent lots of family time, and now as a parent we spend lots of family time....... we eat together (at the table) we talk to each other and we understand each others needs. It's sad that this seems to be almost a lost tradition. 
 
Cheers for the offer Fanny.......... I nearly joined the YHA last year, I think we might take the plunge this year, the kids are of an age that it wont be long before they can go off Y-Hing on their own and it'll be good for them!  When we get joined up we might come and visit! Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 14:17
sadly that all unravels in later life - adolescence is best handled by teenagers - not thirty-somethings who suddenly realise they've something missing somewhere but haven't the experience to know exactly what that is so try everything and anything in the vain hope of discovering whatever it is they don't have in their life that everyone else has, when the reason they don't have it is because they don't know what it is whereas normal teenagers who know everything there is to know and that everything else is a lie learn this through bitter experience at the school of hardknocks so achieve a level of balance and purpose in their lives without the aid of external props and training-wheels.
 
well, that's my theory anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 14:42
^ nice theory, especially because there's one comma too many in that sentence - proving you are not a teen yourself. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 14:50
Although there are no capital letters, which is a terrible teenage affliction.

There is one thing I never did as a teenager and that was write or type in text speak.  However, the Internet and mobile 'phones were barely available when I was at school.  I did not get my first mobile 'phone until the first year of College and that was only for emergencies (especially as I had recently passed my driving test and was on the mean streets of Swine Town).

Now every teenager from the age of 11 or 12 (some even younger), have mobile 'phones and it disgusts me.  I would not give my children (if I had any), a mobile 'phone until they could pay for it themselves.  I do not care if all their friends have them, it is tough luck.  They would not have one.

Strangely though, I would let them have a television in their room from about 14 or so upwards... maybe 16.  A computer they would need access to for their school, but I would encourage them to use the library, however basic it is, because Wikipedia is not always the way to go.  Not everything is online and I am glad that it is not.

Oh and I realise this is not the ranting room, so my apologies.

Addendum: I have been on www.friendsreunited.co.uk many times in the past to see what old school acquaintances are up to.  Some of the A* English students (one who went to Oxbridge, I believe) even used shorthand text-style speech on there.  It really annoyed me.


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