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Atavachron 
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 Posted: September 18 2008 at 18:22 |
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thank you for those words Guigo, I think the biggest issue with the review is how it's written and the writer's emotional involvement.. whereas an intelligent, informed and convincing review will always be respected and still get the points across
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Atkingani
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 18:03 |
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One of the great features of prog (rock) is the capacity to grab, to absorb influences from the countries and cultures where this genre is produced, which provides a myriad of different sounds and possibilities. Anyway, for most people, since it came originally from the Anglo-Saxon part of the world (UK leading), one tends to believe that there lies the main line and the others are mere variations of the original, but they aren't.
Another great feature is the capacity of prog-fans to understand and accept that everywhere the local spices will be sprayed and sometimes will prevail over the sound considered 'standard'. This is a learning that takes time and varies from listener to listener - there's no official rule of when or if it'll happen.
Considering the above said, it's natural to feel angry and disappointed when something that's an inherent part of your culture, your background, your soul is misunderstood or seen as exotic or quaint. It won't happen only if the two mentioned features are attained and to reach this point we need a bridge, not a wall.
I'd rather give an open hand instead of a jab... let the reviewer edit by himself or if preferred to delete the entire text and return to it in a more appropriate occasion (if the bridge is complete and the path is clear).
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 17:54 |
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Hi Usulprog and welcome to PA, I like the way you think.
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 17:02 |
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Without any knowledge of the album itself:
The first intro track is just a filling - could stay, the "reporter"'s issue with not enough expressed subjectivity ("is better use the words I THINK this track")isn't much of a problem IMO. makes me just laugh - can be cut out, if it's the reviewer's only way of saying he doesn't appreciate the track (cause it's not that he's amused, from what I can understand); these sort of expressions, either way, are indeed poor seems like the track is recorded in a pop-latin club in Cuba,it is just unbearable... below average latin-poppish stuff that I can't afford not sure if 100% xenophobic, but not without some problems either; the problem is in the expression, had he mentioned that he doesn't like the musical style or the recording production, instead of pointing out that music coming from certain places is unbearable, plus, in the second case, had he not added an ambiguous term such as "afford", the line would have been better. In other words, saying latin-poppish (an attempt of terming) is bad is okay (and subjective, of course), but pointing out clubs in Cuba for bad-mojoed recordings sounds fishy. Edited by Ricochet - September 18 2008 at 17:04 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 16:52 |
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I've quoted the following post form the reviews reporting. What do others think? Has there been any breach of our guidelines, or is the reviewer just expressing his opinion? (I've asked the reviewer to pop by too)
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debrewguy
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Posted: September 14 2008 at 20:47 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=182308
Aha, another intelligent person giving an album the review/rating it deserves. Thank You Ivan ! Could we get more Ange reviews from those who know them ? |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice, Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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micky
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Posted: September 13 2008 at 13:25 |
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amen Greg
 .... could say more... but why bother.. and this isn't the place for it anyway. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Logan
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Posted: September 13 2008 at 13:12 |
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EDIT: Following Ivan's advice, moving post.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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micky
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Posted: September 13 2008 at 13:07 |
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hahahhah... not surprised at all.... he has done that before. The last time he left in a huff. There is a right way to express your displeasure and leave if you chose to.. and some to their credit have taken the high road ...then again some don't. Shame the review has to be used as a place to voice that.
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 18:26 |
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Just answering this: Prior to me getting hold of The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other, Pawn Hearts was my least favourite VDGG album, and not as enjoyable as three of their others. Nonetheless, it'd still be in my top 20 albums of all time and I would consider it a masterpiece (see review for complete explanation). Believe this guy's in the same situation, and I felt he did well justifying his position. |
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 18:21 |
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What Erik wrote in the review in my mind sounds very provocative.
We must accept that today all the music 'complicated' is described as Prog (Progressive) and PA can not remain deaf to all this. For example just leave aside everything that does not like and focus only on what you want to promote (even causing, if civilly and constructively).
I can understand that the insertion of I Pooh in PA has offended the sensibilities of many. Yet until 1975 clearly had some Prog elements in their music and today in Japan and South Korea (especially) are very collected by collectors of Italian Prog. Even if I Pooh inclusion in the PA can not find it totally correct
we must also take into account what I said above.
And it is in this direction that PA (rightly) must look to stay in step with the times. And I am sure of this, Erik has understood. But not accepted.
And I say this with pride, says that one of misfortune in life has been so much... But that now sees everything under another perspective. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 17:32 |
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Comments moved to Special Collaborator's Zone by the author IvánEdited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 13 2008 at 23:51 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 17:06 |
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Comments noted, and will be addressed. The commercial link in Erik's reviews has the full approval of M@x, indeed he facilitated it.
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 17:04 |
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I think that, also, this rule could be underlined:
7 - Remember that your reviews will be on the relevant albums page for all to read for many years to come. Do not therefore word your review with only the front page (which shows the latest reviews) in mind. Consider whether the review will still make sense in 5 years time and more. The extra part in Erik's review basically means that, even quicker than in 5 years by now, no one will understand the purpose of those written things. Times changes, and I've said, they could even bring Erik back (in case he actually left - again). |
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Chris S
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 16:55 |
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Whilst I relate to some new band addition sentiments I must say i am quite surprised by Erik's comments especially in a review..............
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Rivertree
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 16:48 |
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the personal note must be erased - unfortunately arrogant and a disrespect for our hard work as for my sentience
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 16:05 |
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I think Erik has announced numerous times to leave (running the same arguments) and yet he returned ever so often. The personal note could be erased for the purpose of the review, but I'm sure Guigo and Bob will decide best. It's anyway extra read, the reviewing part is, as usual, okay. Edited by Ricochet - September 12 2008 at 16:06 |
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 08 2008 at 10:55 |
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I also picked up on that review chopper is referring to when it was posted and it did strike me as strange at the time ? then I thought about it and maybe its on the wrong side of five stars if you catch my drift ? I mean there is no questions asked five star ratings and then there is the 4 1/2 stars but we cant have half stars so we round it to five stars type rating. few, glad I have finished typing that I couldn't stand to type it again, hope it makes sense.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 04 2008 at 03:29 |
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Best if you raise this in "Report bugs" section, this section is for discussing reviews.
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Kix
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Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:57 |
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I was wondering what that popupcontrol thing was, how do I go about fixing this, I didn't think I had a firewall judging my some other sites I'm able to visit, lol. another poster suggested I delete my PA cookies? I know what cookies are, but how I do I specifically delete them from this site?? Please bare with my somewhat computer incompetence, lol, thx guys. I also post on plenty other boards, never had this problem.
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Usulprog wrote:
Sorry but I can't follow the opinions of the other reviwers in this one...This is just an uneven disc,it has some interesting moments but it has some very pop stuff also...
Scarsick... a highly underrated album. While Scarsick is my least
favorite PoS album thus far, it is by no means bad. The band continues
to blur the line seperating different genres and has made something
that's different from everything they've done before it. This is easily
the least progressive album they've released, but that doesn't keep me
from loving it. 