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PetrucciPal 
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Joined: May 21 2008
Location: Boredomtown.
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 Posted: December 23 2008 at 17:41 |
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For the <3 of John Petrucci!
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32581
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 15:01 |
 June wrote:
Kids are kids, they need to be educated, that's it. Music appreciation is just as long a skill to acquire as reading and counting, except that's it's not taught in school as extensively, and in some cases, it's not taught at all.
And you can't take a kid who likes Hannah Montana and call him (or her) is an idiot for not getting Porcupine Tree: it's like trying to teach advanced geometry after having taught 1+1=2. It's a long process, we just gotta keep the faith. |
Gotta give you mad props!
(That's how the kids talk nowadays)
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam
Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
Status: Offline
Points: 29630
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:59 |
Vompatti wrote:
I hate ppl who use bbrvtns that are nknwn to me. 
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Well, like how do you feel about people who like use like too much, or is that like totally passe now?  By the way, Petrucci, I see by your profile you are 55 years old. Keep getting held back from passing on to the next grade?  So, are you only as old as you are young or as young as you are old? I was a teen back in the late '70's when I first became a prog nut. It really was about the same back then. Maybe not as bad.
Edited by Slartibartfast - December 23 2008 at 16:17
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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June
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 03 2008
Location: Montreal
Status: Offline
Points: 6521
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:53 |
Kids are kids, they need to be educated, that's it. Music appreciation is just as long a skill to acquire as reading and counting, except that's it's not taught in school as extensively, and in some cases, it's not taught at all.
And you can't take a kid who likes Hannah Montana and call him (or her) is an idiot for not getting Porcupine Tree: it's like trying to teach advanced geometry after having taught 1+1=2. It's a long process, we just gotta keep the faith.
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The Pessimist
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 13 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 3834
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:22 |
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I'm in college at the moment, and the kids I go there with are around 16-18 years old. You'd actually be surprised how many of them enjoy my music, but just haven't heard of any of it. There are more metalheads than you can count, and I've managed to convert half of them to Opeth, Meshuggah, BTBAM and Cynic effortlessly. OK, the bands listed may be on the heavier side of Prog, but it's still prog nonetheless. One of my best friends has just asked to borrow my Isis collection for a week, and he's into Grindcore and Grime. Personally, I believe that lots of people like the genre, but just haven't heard any of it yet.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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alerxst
Forum Newbie
Joined: April 03 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 38
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:11 |
PetrucciPal wrote:
I literally had a music orgasm. |
It's called an "eargasm."
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johnobvious
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 11 2006
Location: Nebraska
Status: Offline
Points: 1367
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:59 |
Deathrabbit wrote:
I got news for ya, it's not just kids. Bottom line, most ppl like music that makes them move, not think. In fact ppl hate thinking in general, and sometimes they get pissed off when I try to force them to. Thinking causes you to do annoying things like question yourself and see things in shades of gray instead of black and white. Who wants that? So since ppl hate thinking, music that makes you think will always be in the minority. We've Beauvoir would have said we've become a culture full of sub-men.
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 . You are right. People do not like to think. Why is that? There is so much to think about.
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Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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PetrucciPal
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Joined: May 21 2008
Location: Boredomtown.
Status: Offline
Points: 61
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:51 |
Negoba wrote:
First of all, a large proportion of prog fans are musicians, and the majority of humans are not serious musicians.
Second of all, music serves many functions and many of them don't really have anything to do with art or artistry. It's hard to dance to 11/8 (though it can be done) ((maybe not if you're a white boy like me)).
Thirdly of all, why not just keep the good stuff to yourself! If someone ever comes up and says "You know, I just can't find anything interesting in music anymore." you rub your hands in delight and say "Well there's this little band called Gentle Giant." |
Y'know, that all makes sense. You're right, the majority of people aren't musicians. Buttttttt, the ones that ARE have to suffer. At least that's what I think. For many musicians that I know, myself included, we like to share our music with a lot of people, but we can't seem to find the right kind of people to share it with...mainly because a lot of the people that we know (especially at my age) aren't musicians themselves. So, with that being said, all my favorite types of music can't be shared within my group of friends, or really anywhere else at my school, for that matter, because everyone there sucks at life. lol kidding, but yeah. =/
lol, who needs dancing when you can PLAY that stuff?!! Haha ^_~
I sort of agree with you on that one. Keeping it to ourselves will only make it more....genuine, if that's the right word. idk, I guess I just have to find the right people to share it with. =)
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For the <3 of John Petrucci!
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Avantgardehead
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 29 2006
Location: Dublin, OH, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1170
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:47 |
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I don't understand why people here get so upset about stuff like this. It's even scary when people are planning-out all the prog their kids are going to listen to... *shivers*
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Negoba
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
Status: Offline
Points: 5210
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:40 |
First of all, a large proportion of prog fans are musicians, and the majority of humans are not serious musicians.
Second of all, music serves many functions and many of them don't really have anything to do with art or artistry. It's hard to dance to 11/8 (though it can be done) ((maybe not if you're a white boy like me)).
Thirdly of all, why not just keep the good stuff to yourself! If someone ever comes up and says "You know, I just can't find anything interesting in music anymore." you rub your hands in delight and say "Well there's this little band called Gentle Giant."
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Vompatti
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Joined: October 22 2005
Location: elsewhere
Status: Offline
Points: 67468
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:23 |
I hate ppl who use bbrvtns that are nknwn to me.
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 27 2006
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Points: 4625
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:20 |
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I got news for ya, it's not just kids. Bottom line, most ppl like music that makes them move, not think. In fact ppl hate thinking in general, and sometimes they get pissed off when I try to force them to. Thinking causes you to do annoying things like question yourself and see things in shades of gray instead of black and white. Who wants that? So since ppl hate thinking, music that makes you think will always be in the minority. We've Beauvoir would have said we've become a culture full of sub-men.
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 21 2006
Location: oHIo
Status: Offline
Points: 1009
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:15 |
" I literally had a music orgasm. "
Way Way Way WAAAAY to much information!
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32581
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:03 |
I am more frustrated by my teenage in-laws.
If a song (even a good song, say something from Queen or Led Zeppelin) isn't on a movie or television program produced by Disney or covered on American Idol (or some such thing), it is unknown to them. And then when they hear it, it's like, totally, the best song EVER!
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Endless Wire
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 27 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 403
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:03 |
Unfortunately it's true. And for those that haven't heard the Nickelback mash-up song, proving that they use the same formula for every song, it's both hilarious and depressing.
But if you want some hope you could check out my music...Try the link below 
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mrcozdude
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 25 2007
Location: Devon,UK.
Status: Offline
Points: 2078
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:45 |
Mousoleum wrote:
Prog-anger. Been there. Don't worry, it eventually leads to acceptance, then you stop caring and get into jazz. Seen it a thousand times. It's nice here, chin up! |
Hahahaha it's exactly what happened to me.
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PetrucciPal
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Joined: May 21 2008
Location: Boredomtown.
Status: Offline
Points: 61
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:42 |
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lol whoops. OK, that makes sense. XD
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For the <3 of John Petrucci!
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Mousoleum
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Joined: January 16 2008
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 68
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:33 |
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Prog-anger. Been there. Don't worry, it eventually leads to acceptance, then you stop caring and get into jazz. Seen it a thousand times. It's nice here, chin up!
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crimson87
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 03 2008
Location: Argentina
Status: Offline
Points: 1818
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:31 |
I wish I could know music theory to answer your post. Not only kids such at music , today I went to a record store , and I was next to the jazz section when one girl was looking for help to get a record for a relative. He asked one of the employees and he refused because he didn't know anything about the genre.
Besides , he said ( while looking a Herbie HancocK CD) Who knows this guy? His music must be awful!
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32581
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:23 |
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