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    Posted: April 20 2009 at 14:36
I am still getting bowled over by National Health. Their first two albums are superb. Superb. Superb !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2009 at 22:02
I've been listening to plenty of Caravan as of late. Apparently my copy of Caravan's eponymous album had a few scratches in it that messed up "Love Songs with Flute." When I had first heard it I had thought there was something wrong with the CD, but it actually worked pretty well within the song. I got accustomed to this defective version of "Love Songs with Flute" and finally listened to a copy where it didn't skip and I prefer my defective copy so much more. Weird stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2009 at 19:45
Thanks everyone for your recomendations!! Guess I ll start looking on the net for those rare records
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2009 at 09:32
Originally posted by TheCaptain TheCaptain wrote:

I'm a newcomer to the Canterbury scene and haven't yet stepped outside of Caravan. It seems as though I like more of their not-quite Canterbury stuff such as their first album (especially Place of My Own, Love Song With Flute, and Cecil Runs). I also recently got In The Land Of Grey and Pink. So far I really like Love to Love You, and Winter Wine. Golf Girl doesn't tickle my fancy nor does the titular track. After a couple listens I am starting to like Nine Feet Underground more but it's still just ok.


You may have seen this already (posted in another thread), but I'll just cut/paste.

Some of this is redundant.

Starting with bands you know, IMO you're missing their best albums:

Caravan - If I Could Do it All Over Again, I'd Do it All Over You
Gong - You

Then, because I am an unabashed Dave Stewart fanboy, you will need:

Egg - s/t, The Polite Force, The Civil Surface
Hatfield and the North - s/t and The Rotters' Club
National Health - s/t and Of Queues and Cures
Khan - Space Shanty (a curious but fun album, actually more of a "heavy prog" sound)

Other essential records:

Soft Machine - Third
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2009 at 09:29
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

I don't know but I guess I need some Canterbury recomendations. I already know most of the top 20 records and groups like the Softs , Caravan , Hatfield , National Health , Gilgamesh . Ain Soph , Khan , Matching Mole , Supersister ,Egg , Picchio dal pozzo , Gong , Soft Heap and some others.

The point is: Are there any obscure gems for me to discover? What about nowadays bands Are there any modern Canterburyish ones?


Try some of Hugh Hopper's solo efforts like 1984 or Hoppertunity Box.  I'll assume you already have some Wyatt solo, at least Rock Bottom (actually, that's all I have at the moment Embarrassed)

Also Alan Gowen had some other great collaborations you might enjoy.


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Before A Word Is Said
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2009 at 18:11
The Soft Machine's "Moon in June" reminds me a bit of "Nine Feet Underground", but I prefer "Moon...." I used to love "9 Feet" though. In part, Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom really got me into exploring Canterbury Scene music.  I started with Caravan too, come to think of it.   Then Hatfield and the North with Rotter's Club, which I loved.  It's definitely one of my favourite categories here; so much excellent music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2009 at 17:20
I'm a newcomer to the Canterbury scene and haven't yet stepped outside of Caravan. It seems as though I like more of their not-quite Canterbury stuff such as their first album (especially Place of My Own, Love Song With Flute, and Cecil Runs). I also recently got In The Land Of Grey and Pink. So far I really like Love to Love You, and Winter Wine. Golf Girl doesn't tickle my fancy nor does the titular track. After a couple listens I am starting to like Nine Feet Underground more but it's still just ok.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2009 at 16:23
This album is absolutely wonderful:


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For a modern album/project, this is worth getting:


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Soft Mountain
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And VOLARÉ from the US is well-worth checking out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2009 at 15:47
I'll start with recommending you an album by a musician who is not yet included in PA for his solo career: The Tangent's current guitarist Jakko M. Jakszyk (I'm working on the addition, and hope to have it ready as soon as possible). The album in question was released in 2006, and its title is The Bruised Romantic Glee Club. It is a double CD, which on the second disc features very original versions of some Canterbury classics (as well as a couple of King Crimson tunes), with the participation of the likes of Dave Stewart and Hugh Hopper. The songs on the first disc are excellent as well, and will appeal to any Canterbury fan. Unfortunately, it seems the album is out of print - I was so lucky as to find a copy at a music store in Rome for about 13 euros.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2009 at 12:08

I don't know but I guess I need some Canterbury recomendations. I already know most of the top 20 records and groups like the Softs , Caravan , Hatfield , National Health , Gilgamesh . Ain Soph , Khan , Matching Mole , Supersister ,Egg , Picchio dal pozzo , Gong , Soft Heap and some others.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:25
Forget big box stores - stick with Wayside and Greg Walker, as well as Amazon sellers like caiman
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:17
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

Which is better in terms of progressive music , BestBuy or Virgin?
He went to Virgin and could get Tago Mago , Phallus Dei , and Jean Luc Ponty plays the music of Frank Zappa.
 
 


Virgin is okay (i.e. bites the big one) but Tower was far better, shame they went down  ..Best Buy is fine for DVDs but I don't remember being impressed by the music selection

at this point there's only one place in the U.S. to go to find a great selection of new and used music and movies:  Amoeba   (L.A., S.F. and Berkeley)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:06
New live recording of Soft Heap from November 1978

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20336

Sort of bootleg quality sound, but otherwise as brilliant as you'd expect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:10
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

So many great suggestions to look for... Luckily, I've noticed that most Soft Machine-related albums are relatively easy to find here in Italy, especially if one looks into the Jazz section of music stores. I have to take advantage of the situation as long as I live in Italy, because I'm afraid lean days will come once I move to the USLOL... I've seen music stores like FYE and Best Buy, and I call them 'compilation heaven'!LOL

 
I don't know , I ve' never been on a BestBuy in my life. But one of my relatives travels to the US quite often and he bought me some fine albums like: Welcome Back...  , Loveless , Caravanserai , Astral Weeks , and many more.( which are quite rare in my country)
Which is better in terms of progressive music , BestBuy or Virgin?
He went to Virgin and could get Tago Mago , Phallus Dei , and Jean Luc Ponty plays the music of Frank Zappa.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2008 at 12:10
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Canterbury a softer version of RIOConfused? Now I've really heard it allUnhappy...


ConfusedNot far from the mark as far as I'm concerned : Robert Wyatt's End Of An Ear, Hugh Hopper's 1984 are definitely early forms of RIO. Whilst Henry Cow's Legend, takes its lead from Machine's Volume2 (and one reason I bought the album, after they won John Peel's Rockatunity Knocks competition)..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2008 at 18:13
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Canterbury a softer version of RIOConfused? Now I've really heard it allUnhappy...


ConfusedNot far from the mark as far as I'm concerned : Robert Wyatt's End Of An Ear, Hugh Hopper's 1984 are definitely early forms of RIO. Whilst Henry Cow's Legend, takes its lead from Machine's Volume2 (and one reason I bought the album, after they won John Peel's Rockatunity Knocks competition)..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2008 at 15:28
Egg is incredible.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2008 at 15:20
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2008 at 15:13
Canterbury is a City, Patrick. LOL

Matching Mole are kind of Political but not musically.  Wyatt was a Communist at the time and the title of their second album Little Red Record is a clear indication of this,

I would put in Wyatt's debut, Hopper's debut and all Matching Mole's albums as Avant-prog (rather than RIO) but due to their links to the Canterbury Scene, they also should be there.

Canterbury, RIO and Jazz Rock/Fusion (like later Soft Machine. Nucleus, Elton Dean, Soft Heap and others) all tie in together.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2008 at 22:48
Originally posted by June June wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by June June wrote:

If you'll excuse my trollness... what's RIO?
Compared to the Canterbury scene, that is.


A brief history.
 
Okay then, thanks. I hadn't not picked up on that section yet. I'd already heard a few tracks from 5 or 6 bands mentionned, but hadn't figured out that they were in any way "related". So if I get this right, it's more of a "political" organisation of avant-garde bands than anything while the Canterbury scene is mainly geographically based? Unless the Canterbury bands had some "treaty" too that I haven't read about so far?


No, that's pretty much it, although the "Canterbury" moniker has always been a bit unfortunate as pretty much none of the musicians had much to do with the town city of Canterbury, located in eastern Kent in the South East region of England, you can read more at the wiki entry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canterbury_scene

There was also some overlap, the RIO movement was founded by Henry Cow, who are sometimes also considered a Canterbury band...the true narrow definition of RIO was the small group of bands during the late 70s, "avant prog" is the more (appropriate) generic label for a certain kind of wacky music.

Henry Cow's first album is one I find to be a natural transition to RIO/Avant when coming from the Canterbury scene (data point = myself).  But if you've heard samples from Belgian chamber prog masters Univers Zero or Present, well then jump right in!





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