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Points: 10266 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 18:03
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

...  after that, then recognizing Stewart Copeland had played with Curved Air.  I like to call it the prog rock web.   I don't know if someone's launched a thread on that yet...
 
The Copeland in Curved Air was Miles, not Stewart ... and I've been told that is his brother ... also, was it not Stewart that was married to Sonja Kristina? ... or something like that?
 
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Actually the Police are a Gong spin-off; they were originally called Strontium 90 and had an additional member, Mike Howlett of Gong on bass guitar; Sting played rhythm guitar at first. They played on the Gong festival which took place on May 23rd 1977. "Gong Est  Mort - Vive Gong" was recorded at that festival.
 
I doubt this very much ... Gong was there way before the Police ever came around, and while it is possible that Sting munched around and might have played, I doubt it ... during that time in the early 70's prior to the Police, both Andy Summers and Sting were involved with Eberhard Schoenner in Germany and I am inclined to believe that is where they met. While a couple of songs Sting sings in there are not great, they do show an ability to create words on the fly and adjust well, and that, I'm sure, is what got Andy and him together to make a band ...

Sting's involvement with Eberhard Schoener was in the late 70s, not the early 70s, at the time that "Video Magic" came out. Which fits pretty well with what I have said. The Gong festival I speak of took place on May 23rd 1977; there was an article about it in the the German "Musik Magazin"; they mentioned Strontium 90 as one of the opening acts of that festival and gave the complete line-up, which is the one I mentioned. My brother collected Musik Magazin at that time, and I remember reading that article.
Also have a look at this Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_police#Formation
And no, this entry was not written by me.




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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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Actually the Police are a Gong spin-off; they were originally called Strontium 90 and had an additional member, Mike Howlett of Gong on bass guitar; Sting played rhythm guitar at first. They played on the Gong festival which took place on May 23rd 1977. "Gong Est  Mort - Vive Gong" was recorded at that festival.
 
I doubt this very much ... Gong was there way before the Police ever came around, and while it is possible that Sting munched around and might have played, I doubt it ... during that time in the early 70's prior to the Police, both Andy Summers and Sting were involved with Eberhard Schoenner in Germany and I am inclined to believe that is where they met. While a couple of songs Sting sings in there are not great, they do show an ability to create words on the fly and adjust well, and that, I'm sure, is what got Andy and him together to make a band ...


Well, of course Gong came first: You can't  say The Police are a Gong spin-off if Gong wasn't around already Tongue
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I had totally dismissed the Police until I heard I Advanced Masked.
 
Behind My Camel wasn't too shabby either Approve
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Had a lotta beans
and I got some gas
made a big fart
blew it out my ass LOL
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Awesome, I like Blondie.
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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The most impressive thing, for me, about Fripp's playing is his uncanny ablilty to produce sonic fluid arpeggos at will ...if Fripp was a superhero, that'd be his super power Wink Tongue
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This ain't called the archives for nothing.  Pretty much any question can be answered and you never know what you might learn.

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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Fripp has played on a Blondie album? Shocked
 
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The Copeland in Curved Air was Miles, not Stewart ... and I've been told that is his brother ... also, was it not Stewart that was married to Sonja Kristina? ... or something like that?

I often goof when working off the top of my head but it was Stewart that drummed with Curved Air.  I remember Miles for being a total jerk as manager with regard to the compensation for the musicians who were working with Stin-g on his first solo album in the film about it.

While were at it, let's confuse Aaron into the mix...


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

...  after that, then recognizing Stewart Copeland had played with Curved Air.  I like to call it the prog rock web.   I don't know if someone's launched a thread on that yet...
 
The Copeland in Curved Air was Miles, not Stewart ... and I've been told that is his brother ... also, was it not Stewart that was married to Sonja Kristina? ... or something like that?
 
Quote ...
 
Actually the Police are a Gong spin-off; they were originally called Strontium 90 and had an additional member, Mike Howlett of Gong on bass guitar; Sting played rhythm guitar at first. They played on the Gong festival which took place on May 23rd 1977. "Gong Est  Mort - Vive Gong" was recorded at that festival.
 
I doubt this very much ... Gong was there way before the Police ever came around, and while it is possible that Sting munched around and might have played, I doubt it ... during that time in the early 70's prior to the Police, both Andy Summers and Sting were involved with Eberhard Schoenner in Germany and I am inclined to believe that is where they met. While a couple of songs Sting sings in there are not great, they do show an ability to create words on the fly and adjust well, and that, I'm sure, is what got Andy and him together to make a band ...
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'd never seen that, thanks for sharing.  I had totally dismissed the Police until I heard I Advanced Masked.  Appreciating Sting, after that, then recognizing Stewart Copeland had played with Curved Air.  I like to call it the prog rock web.   I don't know if someone's launched a thread on that yet...

There's been a big interconnectedness in artists and it's spanning the two prog generations so far.

Actually the Police are a Gong spin-off; they were originally called Strontium 90 and had an additional member, Mike Howlett of Gong on bass guitar; Sting played rhythm guitar at first. They played on the Gong festival which took place on May 23rd 1977. "Gong Est  Mort - Vive Gong" was recorded at that festival.

I did not know that.  Pretty cool.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Two great KC songs where we get to hear Fripp at his best:
 
Cirkus, from Lizard.  The acoustic guitar work on this song...the manner in which it provides texture to the song proper...is amazingly amazingly amazing. 
 
Then check out the guitar solo on LITA Part One, which solo to this day makes no sense to me but is still one of my favorite guitar solos by any guitarist.  It addles my already-addled brain. 

I totally agree with the acoustic guitar in "Circus". If you don''t go "wow" over that one you have no idea of guitar playing.
Also have a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4V9pQsOc30
If this still does not convince you, you can't be helped.



You see what I mean? This is passive/ aggresive. If someone doesn't share your view...well then.....they know nothing!

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'd never seen that, thanks for sharing.  I had totally dismissed the Police until I heard I Advanced Masked.  Appreciating Sting, after that, then recognizing Stewart Copeland had played with Curved Air.  I like to call it the prog rock web.   I don't know if someone's launched a thread on that yet...

There's been a big interconnectedness in artists and it's spanning the two prog generations so far.

Actually the Police are a Gong spin-off; they were originally called Strontium 90 and had an additional member, Mike Howlett of Gong on bass guitar; Sting played rhythm guitar at first. They played on the Gong festival which took place on May 23rd 1977. "Gong Est  Mort - Vive Gong" was recorded at that festival.


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I haven't taken the time to read all the replies, sorry to say, so please excuse me if I repeat things already said. 

Robert Fripp is different, so far as I know, from all rock electric guitarists in his complete discipline (bear with me, I know there are people who don't consider that meritorious).  If I'm not mistaken, he is a proper very-British man of staid emotions and cool detachment (who, within the one context of the Les Paul, will suddenly rip your head off!).  Look at a picture of him playing, the myspace page for instance; most times you'll see a man calmly sitting on a stool, posture and technique perfect.  Most rock guitarists are far more about physically emoting while playing (not a knock, just a fact).  I saw KC in NYC at the Pier that summer when they supported ToaPP.  It's been a long time, but I'll try: he came out with a smile and a gentle wave to the cheering fans, sat erect with his guitar in that stool, and played a solo that floored everyone; I think a lot of it has to do with the wide difference between apparent manner (him sitting there, almost classical) and the intensity and honesty of the expression hitting the ear.  The members came out and (again, if I remember correctly) they broke into Larks' II.  Holy smokes it was great!

KC has to be understood I think within the crucible of classical musician and composer practices.  Look at the use of materials on the first side of Red, most especially the title track.  Fracture is a rondo (and if you're looking for a song to "make him amazing", you'd do worse than to start with Starless and Bible Black).

If someone decided to do a Mahler-orchestra-sized transcription of those middle-period KC masterpieces it would be easier than doing the same for all other prog bands, even those termed 'symphonic', because it's already there. 

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I'd never seen that, thanks for sharing.  I had totally dismissed the Police until I heard I Advanced Masked.  Appreciating Sting, after that, then recognizing Stewart Copeland had played with Curved Air.  I like to call it the prog rock web.   I don't know if someone's launched a thread on that yet...

There's been a big interconnectedness in artists and it's spanning the two prog generations so far.


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I just felt like sharing this:
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How about some Fripp with the Roches?
Prog Folk perhaps?
  1. we
  2. hammond song
  3. mr. sellack
  4. damned old dog
  5. the troubles
  6. the train
  7. the married men
  8. runs in the family
  9. quitting time
  10. pretty and high

Liner Notes:

WE
Words & Music by Maggie, Terre & Suzzy Roche

HAMMOND SONG
Words & Music by Margaret A. Roche

MR. SELLACK
Words & Music by Terre Roche

DAMNED OLD DOG
Words & Music by Margaret A. Roche

THE TROUBLES
Words & Music by Maggie, Terre & Suzzy Roche

THE TRAIN
Words & Music by Suzzy Roche

THE MARRIED MEN
Words & Music by Margaret A. Roche

RUNS IN THE FAMILY
Words & Music by Terre Roche

QUITING TIME
Words & Music by Margaret A. Roche

PRETTY AND HIGH
Words & Music by Margaret A. Roche



PRODUCED IN AUDIO VERITE BY ROBERT FRIPP
Engineer: Ed Sprigg
Assitant Engineer: Jon Smith
Recorded at the Hit Factory in New York during September, October & November 1978

MUSICIANS:
Suzzy Roche - Vocals, Guitar
Maggie Roche - Vocals, Guitar, Synthesizer (on "Quitting Time")
Terre Roche - Vocals, Guitar
Robert Fripp - Electric Guitar, Fripperies
Tony Levin - Bass
Jim Maelen - Triangle, Shaker
Larry Fast - Synthesizer Programmer
Special thanks to everyone who came to the shows
Art Direction: Peter Whorf
Design Brad Kanawyer
Photography: Gary Heery

NOTES

With one of the most distinctive and diverse vocal sounds in the modern musical spectrum, the Roche sisters -- Maggie, Suzzy and Terre -- weave barbershop harmonies, traditional Irish melodies, doo-wop, bee bop and a dozen other styles into a sound wholly their own on their acclaimed 1979 release, The Roches. Featuring ten original songs written by the trio singly or in various combinations, The Roches spotlights the wry humor, subtle arrangements and consummate musical craftsmanship that has brought the group both critical and popular acclaim.

Maggie and Terre Roche first began singing together professionally in the late '60s, when both left school to pursue a musical career. In 1970, they were recruited by Paul Simon to sing backup on his best-selling LP There Goes Rhymin' Simon. Shortly thereafter, the duo released their own LP, Seductive Reasoning (1975). After relocating briefly to Louisiana, the pair appeared as a duo for the last time at the Women's Music Festival in the summer of 1976.

Suzzy Roche, who had been attending college in upstate New York, joined her sisters that same year. Now a trio, The Roches immediately earned a loyal following on the Greenwhich Village club scene, where their wide ranging musical tastes and penchant for lyric wordplay garnered critical raves. Signed to Warner Bros. Records in late 1978, they began work immediately on their debut album with renowned producer and conceptualist Robert Fripp.

The result is The Roches, produced in "Audio Verite" and featuring such standout cuts as the introductory "We," "The Married Men" (subsequently covered by Phoebe Snow), the moody "Hammond Song" and "Pretty And High."



He's amazingly amazing in his being all over the place. Big smile

It's really weird.  Every place I run into Fripp in the prog music web I've run into something musically that I haven't experienced before...


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 12 2009 at 22:54
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From the same album as "Neal and Jack and Me," the last song "Requiem" on KC 'Beat' (1982) is some of the best Fripp guitar work I have ever heard.  Belew complements well also on that song, as does Bruford's exceptional jazzy drumming...
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Fripp has played on a Blondie album? Shocked

I had heard that and then read somewhere he was only considering working with them, but I see two songs named, so I'll buy it.

As I mentioned earlier, he has also played on a Darryl Hall album. ShockedLOL


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