Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Negoba wrote: I only have experience with mentally ill and their patterns of behavior. I have no more facts on Jackson than anyone else, but sadly delusional disorders occur in the very powerful quite frequently. I have no idea what actual happened but the guy clearly took advantage of a huge differential in monetary power to do things that were to satisfy his own need (which at most forgiving was a Peter Pan complex) at least as much as to help the children involved. I'll try to find the study, but if you work with kids especially, they just can't sustain good stories. There are a few fake abuse cases, but they almost always fall apart under scrutiny. True stories keep producing details that fit together into a consistent picture the majority of the time. Children under ten especially just can't hold a lie together when talking to those who are trained in these things. Which unfortunately leaves the 90%.   Spousal abuse is probably close as well, but the part that doesn't always come out is that the relationships are mutually abusive. Chemicals are often involved. It doesn't make it ok for the one with more power (usually physical) to use that power to exert their will over the weaker.

It is true that kids can't contain stories; however, what the grown-ups make out of them is a completely different tale. It was this disproportion which led to many false accusations.
However, there is something else which just came to my mind about Jacko's death which led me to write this fictitious dialogue:

Record Mogul One: "Have you heard the news? Jacko is about to make a comeback".
Record Mogul Two: "Oh no; this will be the disaster of the year! The man is fifty now and has been out of business for years"!
One: "Yeah, I know, but don't you think his fans will queue to buy that record"?
Two: "What fans? The man had fans more than a decade ago when he was still young. Do you really think a middle-aged Mum wants to see an aged Jacko with a face that hardly holds together tottering the moonwalk"?
One: "Hm, you have a point there. But we can hardly talk him out of it".
Pause.
Two: "I have an idea. Remember Buddy Holly"?
One: "Sure I do; what about him"?
Two: "Well, he kind of became a legend after his plane crash"...
Pause.
One: "You mean..."?
Two:  "Yeah. Bump him off! I can already see the headlines: 'Tragic death, just before his come-back", "Only the Beatles were greater", "The Mozart of the 20th century". His back-catalogue sales will skyrocket, and I am pretty sure there still is some as yet unpublished archive material around somewhere. We can publish that later, save on the production costs and cash in twice on him that way".
One: "Well, now there's an idea"...

he was acquitted...  f**king with children is not like murder. Everyone kills in their own way and we are a species of killers.  We also though have very soft spots in our hearts for children. 


If was guilty.. no amount of fame would have got him off.   Sounded like extortion for me.  Michael made some bad choices.... he was Jacko....sleeping with young kids is wacked out...  but is not illegal.  He never was more than a grown up child.  If it had been more.....had been sexual... he would have rotted in a cell.

To hell with name or money 

Negoba wrote: Guilty or not (and I'm afraid he probably was because of the fact that over 90% of accused are, proven data from people who study abusive relationships) the man was a very troubled human being with a distorted sense of reality.  Thriller was the first album I owned and I lip-synced and tried to dance to it just as millions of others did. I hope he finds peace now, and that what had been so twisted can be healed.   But we should name mental sickness for what it is. And yes I am the father of two small children. And yes I deal with real abuse victims in my job. I do not wish vengeance or hate on perpetrators, just hope beyond reason for healing. Sometimes it happens.

Negoba wrote: Guilty or not (and I'm afraid he probably was because of the fact that over 90% of accused are, proven data from people who study abusive relationships) the man was a very troubled human being with a distorted sense of reality.  Thriller was the first album I owned and I lip-synced and tried to dance to it just as millions of others did. I hope he finds peace now, and that what had been so twisted can be healed.   But we should name mental sickness for what it is. And yes I am the father of two small children. And yes I deal with real abuse victims in my job. I do not wish vengeance or hate on perpetrators, just hope beyond reason for healing. Sometimes it happens.

This deserves a whole lot of . Somebody who had what so many people are ready to do mayhem for - oodles of money - and was unable to enjoy life is to be pitied, in my very humble opinion. And this has nothing to do with being a fan ,a progger, a bigot, or whatever.

Mourners even on a prog site.... What a guy, eh?

I never believed the pedaphile accusations personally,i felt strongly that people just wanted his money. He was such a boy at heart but he should have known that red flags pop up when adults spend a lot of time playing with children who are not their own, and especially sleeping in the same bad as them. It may have been innocent but come on your just asking for a law suit.Naive to a fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVSYJXpD2_E

a yong and talented boy from this video you cant beleeve what this boy is gona du later on his life. here he looks gentle and inocent

From personal tastes, I could never stand his music.

However, whatever we might think, he clearly gave millions of people a great deal of pleasure, and the media circus that accompanied a clearly very disturbed person was distasteful in the extreme.

As an aside, as soon as I got to work this morning, the text sick jokes were already doing the rounds. None of them in particularly good taste.

Ah well...RIP. It's never nice to hear of a premature death, particularly when children are involved.

Maybe this sad incident will keep some people away from amphetamines (or whatever he used to "prepare" for the tour) ... I surely hope so.

he sure sang and made som nice songs my favorits are
Human Nature (made by Steve Porcaro of Toto it actualy was a Toto tune the band send as a demotape to Michael and Quincy)
Earth Song
Beat It
Billy Jean
the way you make me feel
Mand in the Mirror
and more