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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 21:37
Today I listened to my first full Krautrock album ( before I had only listened to samples) Can's Tago Mago. I am seriously thinking about re-listening to it right now, I loved it. The only thing that I was slightly annoyed by was that the vocals are a bit jarring at first hearing them, they remind me of what little I have heard from Einstürzende Neubauten.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2009 at 07:15
If you like the Tago Mago you should also check out Dragontears. They are Danish not German but they are very obviously inspired by the Damo Suzuki era of Can, having the same psychedelic droning quality to them though they're much more "space rock"-oriented in atmosphere and imagery.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2009 at 16:12
Although they're not really rock, right now (because I'm going through their 70's discography, normally I would say Can) I'm thinking that Tangerine Dream made the best Kraut there is during their OHR years.

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has a 3.42 rating here and Alpha Centauri 3.43, because some raters and reviewer give a one star to any music they don't understand. That way progressive masterpieces end up as good, but not essential, while some irrelevant Rush album from 2002 is suddenly an Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2009 at 16:56
Also the first Ash Ra Tempel album
 
Amboss a fiery music sound of expresion!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2009 at 17:08
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

There are few composers that went this way of the "weird" and I often think that Stravinsky was probably one of the first psychedelic composers that I can think of.


No, Stravinsky was proto-Zeuhl. With a little R.I.O. taste.
 
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Alexander Nikolayevich Scriabin (Russian: Алекса́ндр Никола́евич Скря́бин, Russian pronunciation: [ɐlʲɪˈksandr nʲɪkəˈlaɪvʲɪtɕ ˈskrʲæbʲɪn], Aleksandr Nikolajevič Skr'abin; sometimes transliterated as Skriabin, Skryabin, or Scriabine) (6 January 1872 [O.S. 25 December 1871]–27 April 1915) was a Russian composer and pianist who initially developed a highly lyrical and idiosyncratic tonal language inspired by the music of Chopin. Unlike the later Roslavets and Schönberg, Scriabin developed, via mysticism, an increasingly atonal musical language that presaged 12-tone composition and other serial music. He may be considered to be the primary figure of Russian Symbolism in music as well as the progenitor of Serialism.
 
pretty wird too.
 
Yes.  Here's a one-stop-shopping suggestion for piano works.  I haven't dug real deep so there may be better realizations but, again, this is one 2-cd set that'll keep you very busy for a long time!


 
I would recommand Sonate no. 6 as regard to piano works
Symp. no 5, if you prefer a wider range of instruments.   
 


My favorites are from Scriabin are The Poem of Ecstasy & Mysterium Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2009 at 13:47
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Zeit has a 3.42 rating here and Alpha Centauri 3.43, because some raters and reviewer give a one star to any music they don't understand. That way progressive masterpieces end up as good, but not essential, while some irrelevant Rush album from 2002 is suddenly an Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection.


I don't think that many here pay more attention to average ratings than the particular reviewers they trust the most, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2009 at 15:29
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Zeit has a 3.42 rating here and Alpha Centauri 3.43, because some raters and reviewer give a one star to any music they don't understand. That way progressive masterpieces end up as good, but not essential, while some irrelevant Rush album from 2002 is suddenly an Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection.


I don't think that many here pay more attention to average ratings than the particular reviewers they trust the most, though.
 
Please ignore those ratings ... those two albums of Tangerine Dream's have absolutely nothing to do with rock music ... at all! Or Progressive music whatsoever!
 
 
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One should hope people do that. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2009 at 20:25
I am listening to Neu! on Last.fm, and so far it has been great. I find it weird that this thread and in others bands like Can, Caravan, and Gong have been talked about/ mentioned more than usual as I have been exploring Canterbury Scene and Krautrock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2009 at 03:06
My Top 5 Krautrock albums (of 300+ I've listened to):

Agitation Free - Malesch
Brainticket - Psychonaut
Popol Vuh - Hosianna Mantra
Dom - Edge of Time
Prosper - Broken Door

then maybe:
Brainticket - Celestial Ocean
Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn
Can - Future Days
Agitation Free - Second
Popol Vuh - Einsjager & Siebenjager

So many other great albums I could have listed, too, and many of my favorite songs are on other krautrock albumsThumbs Up



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2009 at 15:03
Originally posted by listen listen wrote:

My Top 5 Krautrock albums (of 300+ I've listened to):

Agitation Free - Malesch
Brainticket - Psychonaut
Popol Vuh - Hosianna Mantra
Dom - Edge of Time
Prosper - Broken Door

then maybe:
Brainticket - Celestial Ocean
Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn
Can - Future Days
Agitation Free - Second
Popol Vuh - Einsjager & Siebenjager

So many other great albums I could have listed, too, and many of my favorite songs are on other krautrock albumsThumbs Up

 
Based on the time frame and school of music I would listen to Nektar ... their early stuff is very good, and although "Sounds Like This" is not usually a selection that is mentioned as "prog" but it does show very clearly how popular music injected/impressed Nektar and how they ended up creating their own ... and I happen to like their long cuts in there as well.
 
Can ... better heard in sequence as it shows the band and its progress and changes ... start with Tago Mago, then Ege Bamyasi, then Future Days and then Soon Over Babbalooma ...  as much as I love those 4 albums, the next one is even more important ... as it shows how the band really went far out and experimental back to the early days with really far out and way off left field stuff that has more in common with Tago Mago (not the music/ears - but the experimentation) than otherwise ... but it is an album that few people can relate to ... it is weird, and funny and off the wall ... and so progressive that folks here can't handle it! It's kinda like heaing Gentle Giant the first time ... you go ... what is this?
 
Brainticket ... Cottonwood Hill was their first and it still is the weirdest and most fun to listen to ... I loved Celestial Ocean and still have the poster on my wall!
 
Ashra Tempel ... Join Inn is a really fine listen if you have the patience and care to close your eyes and just enjoy something in the dark. Janseits is really nice. Join Inn is better and the girl's seductive voice, considering I do not knwo what she is saying ... is a really soothing and relaxing meditation ... if you are expecting some prog bullpucky rock ... do not get this one ... this is two long cuts and a tripper's delight ... and most prog'rs (specially in this board) are not trippers at all!!!!!!!!
 
Popol Vuh is what New Age should have been but were afraid to be as far as I am concerned. Way more spiritual than the crystal bs that ended up in America as a commercial venture. Appreciate it for its beauty and definitly catch the Werner Herzog films with this music .... specially Aguirre and Heart of Glass and Nosferatu.  Herzog does know how to use the music and some of the subtle accoustic stuff on the album is in Aguirre and really effective and makes it seem scary and different ... really well done -- and the music is ... better! But the film is really good.
 
The others I do not feel qualified in discussing as I have not given them a fair listen. Except Agitation Free, but I prefer not to discuss that one at all ... at this time -- until I double check some more information on it. To me this is not Krautrock ... this is a serious attempt at mixing rock with eastern music via electronic instruments ... and as such fits better in the experimental areas than it does "krautrock" ... this is not a "rock band' per se ... as they were testing out other musical factors as well. No one can miss the eastern influences and obvious examples and how it was used in these albums -- with electronic instruments mixing in with traditional instruments. Much of the expanding of a note or wave with the synthesizer has a lot more to do with eastern concepts of meditation and "raga" than it does any western musical concept at all, and this we're not all willing to discuss or compare notes on. It is a very difficult topic to discuss. Agitation Free was not the only band that did this and they had an off shoot if I remember correctly ... Dissidenten. Which continued the eastern influence and style and also had electronics.
 
I would still get Guru Guru's first 4 albums (listen to them in that order) all the way to Tango Fango and even Dance of the Flames ... and it is really important that you realize how political "Das Liebe von Radio" (spelling) is specially in that time when Berlin was still split and East Germany was forbidden a lot of the western music ... I really think that these first 4 albums by GuruGuru are massive and a must in anybody's "kruatrock" collection ... in my mind they are much more kruatrock than we give them credit for ... I tend to not consider Popol Vuh, Ash Ra Tempel krautrock at all ... and Brainticket is of Swiss origin I think, and it fits more into the experimental area than it does in krautrock ... at least it's a much better description of their work.
 
I do hope that you have Amonduuled yourself ... krautrock is not complete if you do not have Yeti, Dance of the Lemmings, Carnival in Babylon and Wolf City ... and if you can handle it Vive La Trance ... as the song "Apocalyptic Bore" is the end of the "definition" of krautrock ... it says it all ...  (and after you play this song you gotta get yourself a copy of the title song of Scorpions "Fly To The Rainbow" album ... they wrote the song pro=fun and drugs, right after AD2 had said goodbye to all that stuff...)
 
When you hear and realize that Ege Bamyasi, Wold City, A Tab in the Ocean, Atem pretty much came out at the same time ... (2 of these the same week!) ... you can imagine how some of us felt then ... we died and went to heaven!
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2009 at 15:56
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Zeit has a 3.42 rating here and Alpha Centauri 3.43, because some raters and reviewer give a one star to any music they don't understand. That way progressive masterpieces end up as good, but not essential, while some irrelevant Rush album from 2002 is suddenly an Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection.


I don't think that many here pay more attention to average ratings than the particular reviewers they trust the most, though.
 
Please ignore those ratings ... those two albums of Tangerine Dream's have absolutely nothing to do with rock music ... at all! Or Progressive music whatsoever!
 
 


Alpha Centauri hasn't got anything to do with rock or progressive music? I disagree (and I think Zeit is progressive music). I don't care that much about the ratings, but I think its a flaw of the site that a "specialist" of any genres opinion (=rating) is weighted many times higher, also in the genres they're clueless about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2009 at 16:24
I'm a huge Krautrock fan but one band that i can't get into is Faust.I know they're often one of the first bands brought up in such a discussion and highly rated but they're beyond me.LOL 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2009 at 16:27
Originally posted by sinkadotentree sinkadotentree wrote:

I'm a huge Krautrock fan but one band that i can't get into is Faust.I know they're often one of the first bands brought up in such a discussion and highly rated but they're beyond me.LOL 


Their debut is still one of the weirdest stuff I've ever heard. Big smile





...and I love it!
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Originally posted by sinkadotentree sinkadotentree wrote:

I'm a huge Krautrock fan but one band that i can't get into is Faust.I know they're often one of the first bands brought up in such a discussion and highly rated but they're beyond me.LOL 
Try Faust So Far - it's available on emusic. It's a nice balance of the sheer out there weirdness of the debut with some more accessible material.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2009 at 16:49
Here's my latest addition to the database:

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1971

I stumbled upon this album some time ago and it's great. Really, recommended! Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2009 at 17:06
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by sinkadotentree sinkadotentree wrote:

I'm a huge Krautrock fan but one band that i can't get into is Faust.I know they're often one of the first bands brought up in such a discussion and highly rated but they're beyond me.LOL 


Their debut is still one of the weirdest stuff I've ever heard. Big smile





...and I love it!
 
 
Their debut is somewhat disturbing. I love it too! Big smile
 
They are definitely more in RIO terretory than other Kraut groups though. They even toured with Henry Cow back in the day although some years before the RIO name was coined.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 23:12

Well, definitely, this a VERY good genre!

My favourite bands un this subgenre are Faust (particularly Faust IV), Brainticket (Psychonaut) and Amon Duul II (Phallus Dei & Yeti) Smile

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Here's my latest addition to the database:



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I stumbled upon this album some time ago and it's great. Really, recommended! Thumbs Up


Awsome! Now its rated too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 04:26
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Here's my latest addition to the database:

not rated
Let It Out
1971

I stumbled upon this album some time ago and it's great. Really, recommended! Thumbs Up


Pretty cool cover art, like Art Deco futurism a la Metropolis on a serious acid trip. LOL
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