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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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On Epignosis' album reviews. Several folks have asked about which reviews were over the top....MovingPictures, who happens to be the lead reviewer, is over the top. Top 3 Symphonic of all time? Even Robert must have rolled his eyes, thought "I love you to bud," and moved on.
Cacho and Micah's were more balanced.
drwlf's was as others have said, intentionally harsh to counter other reviewers. Which is something we're all tempted to do sometimes, rate based on the fact we think an album's rating is too high or too low, or that there aren't enough of this or that. You can't do that. I've reviewed albums and had to give an honest 4 and move the album's rating the opposite direction I intended. You just have to trust that eventually things will average out appropriately.
Unless you wage a campaign to sabotage with multiple accounts........grrrrr.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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Responding to length of reviews:
I have a goal of 500-1000 words. More than 1000 words is pretty long and I frankly don't read many reviews that long in their entirety. I have a few 300 word reviews (not including my early ones before I was a PR) where I give what I think my unique 2 cents on an album that already has many reviews expressing my general feeling on the album.
1990 is an enormous review. It's hard to maintain someone's interest that long, though it can be done.
The biggest thing is keep practicing. Work on finding a voice that makes your reviews give somebody something they don't find in other reviews. After 100 here, I have a few clunkers, a few I'm really proud of, and unfortunately quite a few informational but bland reviews. I'm working on improving mine so I just gave a couple of the ideas I'm working on myself.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10743 |
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I probably shouldn't answer for Tony, but I'll probably do lots of other things I shouldn't do today, so what the heck.
I think he is just saying that maybe friends or PA associates that get along would be less inclined to be critical because it is natural to be concerned about a friend's feelings and that although being polite is admirable, it may in the long run not be in your best interest as a developing artist who might need to hear something more critical in able to grow. I'm through here, the rest is up to Tony. P.S. I just thought I'd help out because I know how sensitive Tony can be. ![]() P.S. P.S. Also, let's not assume all 5 star reviews were written out of 'politeness' (I'm cheating here, I just read Alex's post down below) Edited by Easy Money - August 15 2009 at 12:31 |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32588 |
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Mother said if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Mother was wrong. I enjoy the privilege of calling an album garbage if I think it's garbage, and I've availed myself of that privilege from time to time. If anyone acquires my work and cares to express an opinion, they should feel free to have at it. My heart doesn't pump Kool-Aid. Regarding drwlf's review, none of the criticism was particularly novel (I've heard these remarks before and have made my peace with them- never was at war with any of them, truth be told). Aside from a few clear factual errors (I, for example, do not use a drum machine), criticizing other reviewers, and questioning how "inbred" Prog Archives is (I'm not altogether sure what that means- what exactly are we "breeding?"), I thought the review itself was decentish. ![]() What I don't get, Tony, is this:
None of the "glowing" reviews were reported because they were honest reviews from people who heard the album many times, and what they posted did not violate any of the criteria for reviews. drwlf's review wasn't reported either, really (except by himself, which I think is a little weird, but okay).
So on that note, which reviewers of my album were disingenuous and therefore abusive? Edited by Epignosis - August 15 2009 at 11:53 |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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^ that is a great album... off topic... but who cares really hahha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10743 |
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^ it's hard for me to picture how big 1990 words is. As far as I know, there is no limit on review size, but if you really want someone to read the whole review, you'll keep it reasonable. How about 1999 words to descibe Prince's '1999', what a great album by the way, it's like Kraftwerk with avant-garde gospel vocals on top, but I'm getting off subject now, for shame.
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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Thanks for the reply! Thats a skill I massively lack... Just another quick (and probably stupid) question - Is 1990 words too many for a good review? Obviously the length could be quite intimidating, but is that bad? Thanks again -Joel |
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UMUR ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3082 |
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Ohh...donīt worry every review on this site is noticed and read and if a bit controversial as in this case also discussed.
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drwlf ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 06 2009 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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About the Epignosis album, it's actually really great and rejuvenating to see the community in action. Reviews sparking more conversation, and attracting more attention. Perhaps there'll be more reviews of the album now, evening out the extremes, or plainly just praising the album and leaving me looking like a hatemonger who just doesn't comprehend the album :) I've been more than positively surprised by the whole deal, I really didn't think the review of a first-timer could actually start any kind of conversation, I thought my review might be just shed off as utter nonsense :) Even though I've been a stalker of the site for longer than I can remember, the whole community has been rather unbeknownst to me. Now I'm just annoyed why I didn't register all those years before.. I guess it's time to go and introduce meself in zee Welcome newbies-forums. After this goddamn hangover wears off, so perhaps tomorrow! |
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10743 |
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^ We just ask that the review be long enough to give the album a good review. Some reviews are overly wordy or too detail oriented, but that may not keep them from being a PR. I know for myself, reading some reviews by Atavacron influenced me to use a little more concise style in my writing. He's good at saying a lot with fewer words.
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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I have a general question to ask.
Does the length of the reviews I write influence whether or not I will get "prog reviewer" status? Thanks ![]() -Joel |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Aren't referring to my review, by chance, are you, Jay? ![]() ![]() |
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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^thanks for the link...will check it out.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: In repose. Status: Offline Points: 38960 |
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The various ones for Epignosis' album. See former discussion in the Reviews reporting thread
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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^which review/s are you reffering to?
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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I just listened to Epignosis sample here and the extreme reviews on both sides seem a little out of line. There's some very nice music in the epic, but it's an amateur made CD. We don't have to rip on a very good amateur effort but to compare it to the seasoned pros is a little silly. As a fellow home musician who's done 3 such CDs, I'd have a few suggestions but he didn't ask, so I'll just enjoy the good parts.
I look forward to hearing the whole thing. I love having music from people I know.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: In repose. Status: Offline Points: 38960 |
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Okay, sorry, Guido. Putting my response here: point well taken, Tony.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Alberto Muņoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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To define an influential or important albums, let's define first what everyone understand about this termes.
And do not use the dictionary (tumbaburros)
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65867 |
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that's extraordinary, talk about dedication and sacrifice |
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Chris S ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
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^^
Same here - totally agree Edited by Chris S - July 16 2009 at 19:39 |
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