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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Negoba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 12:14

On Epignosis' album reviews.

Several folks have asked about which reviews were over the top....MovingPictures, who happens to be the lead reviewer, is over the top. Top 3 Symphonic of all time? Even Robert must have rolled his eyes, thought "I love you to bud," and moved on.
 
Cacho and Micah's were more balanced.
 
drwlf's was as others have said, intentionally harsh to counter other reviewers. Which is something we're all tempted to do sometimes, rate based on the fact we think an album's rating is too high or too low, or that there aren't enough of this or that. You can't do that. I've reviewed albums and had to give an honest 4 and move the album's rating the opposite direction I intended. You just have to trust that eventually things will average out appropriately.
 
Unless you wage a campaign to sabotage with multiple accounts........grrrrr.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Negoba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 12:05
Responding to length of reviews:
 
I have a goal of 500-1000 words. More than 1000 words is pretty long and I frankly don't read many reviews that long in their entirety. I have a few 300 word reviews (not including my early ones before I was a PR) where I give what I think my unique 2 cents on an album that already has many reviews expressing my general feeling on the album.
 
1990 is an enormous review. It's hard to maintain someone's interest that long, though it can be done.
 
The biggest thing is keep practicing. Work on finding a voice that makes your reviews give somebody something they don't find in other reviews. After 100 here, I have a few clunkers, a few I'm really proud of, and unfortunately quite a few informational but bland reviews. I'm working on improving mine so I just gave a couple of the ideas I'm working on myself.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 12:00
I probably shouldn't answer for Tony, but I'll probably do lots of other things I shouldn't do today, so what the heck.

I think he is just saying that maybe friends or PA associates that get along would be less inclined to be critical because it is natural to be concerned about a friend's feelings and that although being polite is admirable, it may in the long run not be in your best interest as a developing artist who might need to hear something more critical in able to grow.

I'm through here, the rest is up to Tony.

P.S. I just thought I'd help out because I know how sensitive Tony can be.

P.S. P.S. Also, let's not assume all 5 star reviews were written out of 'politeness' (I'm cheating here, I just read Alex's post down below)

Edited by Easy Money - August 15 2009 at 12:31
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 11:49
Mother said if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Mother was wrong.

I enjoy the privilege of calling an album garbage if I think it's garbage, and I've availed myself of that privilege from time to time.  If anyone acquires my work and cares to express an opinion, they should feel free to have at it.  My heart doesn't pump Kool-Aid.

Regarding drwlf's review, none of the criticism was particularly novel (I've heard these remarks before and have made my peace with them- never was at war with any of them, truth be told).  Aside from a few clear factual errors (I, for example, do not use a drum machine), criticizing other reviewers, and questioning how "inbred" Prog Archives is (I'm not altogether sure what that means- what exactly are we "breeding?"), I thought the review itself was decentish.  Wink  If you hates it, you hates it.

What I don't get, Tony, is this:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

How come all the glowing reviews Of Epignosis haven't been reported.

Whatever you think of the merits of the album, one can safely say that the lack of perspective in the reviews does the guy no favours.




None of the "glowing" reviews were reported because they were honest reviews from people who heard the album many times, and what they posted did not violate any of the criteria for reviews.  drwlf's review wasn't reported either, really (except by himself, which I think is a little weird, but okay).

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Disingenuous reviews are abusive. They abuse the right to review albums on Progarchives..


So on that note, which reviewers of my album were disingenuous and therefore abusive?




Edited by Epignosis - August 15 2009 at 11:53
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 07:49
^ that is a great album...   off topic... but who cares really hahha
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 07:42
^ it's hard for me to picture how big 1990 words is. As far as I know, there is no limit on review size, but if you really want someone to read the whole review, you'll keep it reasonable. How about 1999 words to descibe Prince's '1999', what a great album by the way, it's like Kraftwerk with avant-garde gospel vocals on top, but I'm getting off subject now, for shame.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progkidjoel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 07:29
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ We just ask that the review be long enough to give the album a good review. Some reviews are overly wordy or too detail oriented, but that may not keep them from being a PR. I know for myself, reading some reviews by Atavacron influenced me to use a little more concise style in my writing. He's good at saying a lot with fewer words.


Thanks for the reply!
Thats a skill I massively lack...

Just another quick (and probably stupid) question - Is 1990 words too many for a good review? Obviously the length could be quite intimidating, but is that bad?

Thanks again
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote UMUR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 06:04
Ohh...donīt worry every review on this site is noticed and read and if a bit controversial as in this case also discussed.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

The various ones for Epignosis' album.  See former discussion in the Reviews reporting thread

About the Epignosis album, it's actually really great and rejuvenating to see the community in action. Reviews sparking more conversation, and attracting more attention.

Perhaps there'll be more reviews of the album now, evening out the extremes, or plainly just praising the album and leaving me looking like a hatemonger who just doesn't comprehend the album :)

I've been more than positively surprised by the whole deal, I really didn't think the review of a first-timer could actually start any kind of conversation, I thought my review might be just shed off as utter nonsense :)

Even though I've been a stalker of the site for longer than I can remember, the whole community has been rather unbeknownst to me. Now I'm just annoyed why I didn't register all those years before.. I guess it's time to go and introduce meself in zee Welcome newbies-forums. After this goddamn hangover wears off, so perhaps tomorrow!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 04:40
^ We just ask that the review be long enough to give the album a good review. Some reviews are overly wordy or too detail oriented, but that may not keep them from being a PR. I know for myself, reading some reviews by Atavacron influenced me to use a little more concise style in my writing. He's good at saying a lot with fewer words.

Edited by Easy Money - August 15 2009 at 04:41
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I have a general question to ask.

Does the length of the reviews I write influence whether or not I will get "prog reviewer" status?

Thanks

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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I just listened to Epignosis sample here and the extreme reviews on both sides seem a little out of line. There's some very nice music in the epic, but it's an amateur made CD. We don't have to rip on a very good amateur effort but to compare it to the seasoned pros is a little silly. As a fellow home musician who's done 3 such CDs, I'd have a few suggestions but he didn't ask, so I'll just enjoy the good parts.
 
I look forward to hearing the whole thing. I love having music from people I know.


Aren't referring to my review, by chance, are you, Jay? Wink I tried to keep my opinion of the album pretty fair, but perhaps I was too forgiving? Embarrassed
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^thanks for the link...will check it out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 17:00
The various ones for Epignosis' album.  See former discussion in the Reviews reporting thread

Edited by Logan - August 14 2009 at 17:01
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^which review/s are you reffering to?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Negoba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 16:46
I just listened to Epignosis sample here and the extreme reviews on both sides seem a little out of line. There's some very nice music in the epic, but it's an amateur made CD. We don't have to rip on a very good amateur effort but to compare it to the seasoned pros is a little silly. As a fellow home musician who's done 3 such CDs, I'd have a few suggestions but he didn't ask, so I'll just enjoy the good parts.
 
I look forward to hearing the whole thing. I love having music from people I know.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 16:13
Okay, sorry, Guido.  Putting my response here: point well taken, Tony. 
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To define an influential or important albums, let's define first what everyone understand about this termes.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:42
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:



BTW I have a story about this. In my home country there was a dictatorship some time ago and western music was largely prohibited. But there was this wacko radio guy who managed to defy the regime and to the unthinkable. His name was Cornel Chiriac; his show was very well known especially between musicians, who were all listening his show because it was the only way to hear new music from the outside world. Coming back to the thread, the story says that a couple of weeks after Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was released, the DJ got a copy of it through a personal connection (borrowed from the son of a high official person) and played it on the radio. It was like... boom! The impact on the local music scene was devastating. It was like today everybody was playing stuff from Cliff Richards & The Shadows or The Kinks (in the case of the more daring beat bands), and tomorrow they were all doing Beatles stuff, introducing brass sections, trying to do suites and all that jazz. Now there's a case of an album being influential before it became popular! Needless to say that the DJ was kicked out of service and soon had to run over the border due to the high degree of "attention" he was getting from the secret services. Out there he kept airing radio shows for his countrymen, which a few years later got him killed in circumstances still unclear to this day.


that's extraordinary, talk about dedication and sacrifice



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^^
Same here - totally agree


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