French approve ban on burqas...

Sorry but Burqas need to be banned, hopefully other nations will follow suit. Looking at Dubai and commercialism hitting the muslim areas be it westernized or M.East areas, it is time to get WISE for that religion and move with the times. If one suicide bomber is disguised then the method needs to be removed. Wear the burqa as much as they want at their home or in their place of worship. Good one France

^ I did. At first I wanted to join in the argument and then I decided to go work in the garden instead

The T wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Sadly I would like for people to dress as they want to, but the problem with the burka is that is perfect for concealing a terrorist and his/her weapons.  Are there not a sufficient number of countries that will allow or even require you to wear one if you're a woman? I'm pretty sure terrorists would prefer trench coats, not something that greatly restricts peripheral vision. It greatly restricts everything... yet men force it on women... And we're supposed to defend their right to do so... Go figure.  Allowing women to wear a burqa isn't defending the right of men to force women to behave a certain way. Its defending the right to be able to wear a garment of your choosing. You're creating this false dichotomy and trying to justify your position with it. You're trying to defend the right of women to wear garments forced upon them by men... I understand your love of absolute liberty is behind this and you give your opinion according to your principles. I just don't see it that way. Some government intervention is necessary. And this is one of those cases.  And about governments forcing things I don't agree with or like, I have experience, much more than you probably. In my country right now is a far-left president who's almost a dictator. I oppose his views. That's my right. That doesn't mean I have to promote the absolute lack of government as the answer.

Padraic wrote: What was that again about debate on the internet being useless?   Anyone have their mind changed this time around?

I actually have somewhat mixed feelings about the ban, although I obvious lean toward calling it a bad idea.

I just think it's careless to come in ranting about how the burqa is a sign of male oppression, despite how from the sources I've posted, not all Muslim women feel that way...so I would think it's (ironically) a bit chauvinistic for a bunch of (Westernized) men to come into this discussion deciding what is oppressing women and what isn't, rather than letting the women speak for themselves about the garment, but maybe that's just me.

Padraic wrote: What was that again about debate on the internet being useless?   Anyone have their mind changed this time around?

With 5 pages only, this is not really a tru debate

harmonium.ro wrote: @Pat: Same here; if you don't see the difference between wearing any garment and wearing a burqa, then it means that you don't want to make a difference between them - but the difference exists and you're ignoring it in the name of your principles.

@Pat: Same here; if you don't see the difference between wearing any garment and wearing a burqa, then it means that you don't want to make a difference between them - but the difference exists and you're ignoring it in the name of your principles.

Edited by harmonium.ro - July 14 2010 at 13:19

harmonium.ro wrote: ^ I don't agree with that, should we also renounced at the laws concerning theft, fraud, assault, etc. just because society manages to educate most kids into thinking those are bad things?

harmonium.ro wrote:  Well, I don't know how much will this law will "solve", but it will send the few fundamentalists a strong signal. But really, this issue isn't major at all in France. People here are quite relaxed, and the integration policy has worked in general.