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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 12:37
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Without religion the world would be a better place.


Really? Think of all the beautiful music, awe inspiring architecture, literature, poetry, culture that would be lost. Think of all the faith based charities that give millions and millions to the needy. I'm afraid I can't agree with you there.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 12:56
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Without religion the world would be a better place.


Really? Think of all the beautiful music, awe inspiring architecture, literature, poetry, culture that would be lost. Think of all the faith based charities that give millions and millions to the needy. I'm afraid I can't agree with you there.


Think of all the beautiful music which non-religious prog artists created. You really cannot say what our culture would look like if religion had become extinct a couple of hundred years ago.

BTW: Think of the millions of dollars the faith based charities spend on spreading the faith ... there are many non-faith based charities, too. I'd like to separate faith from charity, please.Smile

And since we're talking burqa here: Good luck finding beautiful music, literature, poetry and culture among those who favor this type of garment.
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 13:06
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I saw a woman in a burqa here in Montréal yesterday when it was 32 degrees celsius and I said hi baby ain't it hot in there? She didn't think it was funny.
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LOLLOL. Are you sure she did not reply  in a deep gravelly voice..." Hey...how did you know I liked wearing womens clothing? "
 
Thanks you made me really laugh out loudLOL
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 13:07
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Without religion the world would be a better place.


Really? Think of all the beautiful music, awe inspiring architecture, literature, poetry, culture that would be lost. Think of all the faith based charities that give millions and millions to the needy. I'm afraid I can't agree with you there.


You really cannot say what our culture would look like if religion had become extinct a couple of hundred years ago.



You're right, I can't, and neither can vibrationbaby or you, so let's put an end to all this ballyhoo, shall we?
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 13:08
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We are referring here to all kind of clothes that cover a women leaving only her eyes visible, they are different in each country and have different names.

Sorry, but that is not the case. We were talking about the specific burka ban in France.

Are "the components" of the burka that important? If they are, can you please enumerate them and mention their relevance? Confused 

I guess only people who have worn a burka once for a demonstration should have any opinion on the matter... Confused

Yes, they are important indeed. I think one should know what one is talking about before banning it. Don't you agree?

Yes. So please describe the intricate "components" of the burka. (it really sounds like it has moving partsTongue)
It's the new fabric used in space travel technology. I thought you knew that.....paving the way for an almighty cosmic JihadDead
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 13:09
^^ I've said my piece ... and it was you who posed the question, please don't blame me for answering. Tongue

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Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I saw a woman in a burqa here in Montréal yesterday when it was 32 degrees celsius and I said hi baby ain't it hot in there? She didn't think it was funny.
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LOLLOL. Are you sure she did not reply  in a deep gravelly voice..." Hey...how did you know I liked wearing womens clothing? "
 
Thanks you made me really laugh out loudLOL


No it just growled at me.Angry


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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Without religion the world would be a better place.


Really? Think of all the beautiful music, awe inspiring architecture, literature, poetry, culture that would be lost. Think of all the faith based charities that give millions and millions to the needy. I'm afraid I can't agree with you there.


Think of all the beautiful music which non-religious prog artists created. You really cannot say what our culture would look like if religion had become extinct a couple of hundred years ago.

BTW: Think of the millions of dollars the faith based charities spend on spreading the faith ... there are many non-faith based charities, too. I'd like to separate faith from charity, please.Smile

And since we're talking burqa here: Good luck finding beautiful music, literature, poetry and culture among those who favor this type of garment.

that really is an astonishing conclusion: people who are pro-burka can not be artistic? go wash your head, Mike; rarely have I heard a worse prejudice.
what wonders me most is that no-one so far has named the real reason for the burka ban. it is not about the liberation of Islamic women at all; Sarkozy doesn't give  a rat's ass about that. no, what Sarkozy really is doing is playing on islamophobia. all people of the Islamic faith are being put under general suspicion of being terrorists, then here comes Superman Sarkozy saying: "look here; I do something against that: I ban the burka. if they no longer can hide they no longer can throw bombs".  this is of course highly absurd, but it is exactly these sentiments Sarkozy is playing with, and that's the real reason for the burka ban


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


that really is an astonishing conclusion: people who are pro-burka can not be artistic? go wash your head, Mike; rarely have I heard a worse prejudice.
what wonders me most is that no-one so far has named the real reason for the burka ban. it is not about the liberation of Islamic women at all; Sarkozy doesn't give  a rat's ass about that. no, what Sarkozy really is doing is playing on islamophobia. all people of the Islamic faith are being put under general suspicion of being terrorists, then here comes Superman Sarkozy saying: "look here; I do something against that: I ban the burka. if they no longer can hide they no longer can throw bombs".  this is of course highly absurd, but it is exactly these sentiments Sarkozy is playing with, and that's the real reason for the burka ban

I'm not one to automatically associate terrorism with Islam, that would be stupid.  But you must admit that it does hide your identity and things of danger can be concealed underneath.  On the other hand, things can be concealed underneath jackets and coats in winter.  On the other hand (wait I have three??) wouldn't surprise me at all is the S man is doing this solely for political reasons.  I think our politicians here in the US have made that more of an art form though.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 14:26
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

And since we're talking burqa here: Good luck finding beautiful music, literature, poetry and culture among those who favor this type of garment.
 
Are you sure?
 
Or is it another prove of your anti anything related to a religious group?
 
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Here is a list of famous epic or romance literature in the Arabic language:

 
Music:
 
 
Just one example
 
Architecture:
 
 
 
Is there anything wrong with Islamic art?
 
I DON'T THINK SO
 
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 14:28
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


that really is an astonishing conclusion: people who are pro-burka can not be artistic? go wash your head, Mike; rarely have I heard a worse prejudice.
what wonders me most is that no-one so far has named the real reason for the burka ban. it is not about the liberation of Islamic women at all; Sarkozy doesn't give  a rat's ass about that. no, what Sarkozy really is doing is playing on islamophobia. all people of the Islamic faith are being put under general suspicion of being terrorists, then here comes Superman Sarkozy saying: "look here; I do something against that: I ban the burka. if they no longer can hide they no longer can throw bombs".  this is of course highly absurd, but it is exactly these sentiments Sarkozy is playing with, and that's the real reason for the burka ban

I'm not one to automatically associate terrorism with Islam, that would be stupid.  But you must admit that it does hide your identity and things of danger can be concealed underneath.  On the other hand, things can be concealed underneath jackets and coats in winter.  On the other hand (wait I have three??) wouldn't surprise me at all is the S man is doing this solely for political reasons.  I think our politicians here in the US have made that more of an art form though.

you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists.
you just have to watch how the media handle a bombing. first thing they ask:when there was a bombing: does it have an Islamic background. if it does, the bombing gets extra media coverage. if not, it is quickly played down, and you will soon forget all about it. just go and watch the pattern next time there is some kind of bombing


Edited by BaldJean - July 16 2010 at 14:33


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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 14:36
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists.

For the record, I am not Catholic and I am afraid of nuns. Shocked
Gotta watch out for those priests, too.  Judas Priest in particular.


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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 14:41
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

I agree with BaldJean.


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists.
you just have to watch how the media handle a bombing. first thing they ask:when there was a bombing: does it have an Islamic background. if it does, the bombing gets extra media coverage. if not, it is quickly played down, and you will soon forget all about it. just go and watch the pattern next time there is some kind of bombing


I think you are wrong on this point. In the recent Times Square (attempted) bombing MSNBC's Contessa Brewer expressed outright disappointment that the bomber was Muslim and not a member of the tea party. The Obama administration has refused to refer to these attacks as rooted in Islam. If anything, the media is trying desperately to hide from the truth that almost all terrorists attacks in recent years have been from Muslims.
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Points: 34099 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 14:47
Yusuf Islam makes some wonderfull music
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists.
you just have to watch how the media handle a bombing. first thing they ask:when there was a bombing: does it have an Islamic background. if it does, the bombing gets extra media coverage. if not, it is quickly played down, and you will soon forget all about it. just go and watch the pattern next time there is some kind of bombing


I think you are wrong on this point. In the recent Times Square (attempted) bombing MSNBC's Contessa Brewer expressed outright disappointment that the bomber was Muslim and not a member of the tea party. The Obama administration has refused to refer to these attacks as rooted in Islam. If anything, the media is trying desperately to hide from the truth that almost all terrorists attacks in recent years have been from Muslims.

Who the hell is Contessa Brewer?  I thought Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow were the real demons of MSNBC for the right.  I guess you can't report on them doing anything like that.Wink


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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 14:48
^we don't really hate Brewer so much as find her amusing
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2010 at 15:14
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

^we don't really hate Brewer so much as find her amusing

I watch MSNBC for Keith and Rachel.  I really don't know who Brewer is. Stern Smile


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