French approve ban on burqas...

BaldFriede wrote: Sean Trane wrote: BaldJean wrote: harmonium.ro wrote:    Good thing you quoted the Constitution Ivan, because it shows exactly the reasons. Freedoms are guaranteed not in absolute, but with the condition  they don't harm anyone else. And as full veil is a tool of women's oppression (expressing the interdiction for women to fully and freely interact with other people, and especially other men, alongside with the interdiction for women to have full legal rights, to have any decision power in the family, to have decision power for her own, and alongside horrific punishments going up to stoning and decapitation in some places, if she disobeys), it comes in strong disagreement with the constitution. The fact that many women got used to it doesn't change its nature. you overlook something though. ff the person concerned wants it you have no right to deny it to her   Even if she's been brainwashed through numbskulling religious (actually the Coran does not impose the veil of any kind, old traditions do, just like excision in Africa) almost right from birth???   I didn't read the whole thread, but to me, there are three reasons   1- if you allow it, anyone criminal (potential, terrorists or escaped convicts) can hide under it, not just muslim women!! Ossama surely wore it a few times to escape controls, since you need a female cop to look under the burqa.   2- ever since religion became monotheistic, women have been stripped from power (they were divinities, goddesses,  priestesses, etc..... in anaimistic or multi-divinities superstitions) Men have been accaparating the religious power and setting their moral autorities on women without much physical violence   3- If Islam wants women to remain modest, it is only because it doesn't want to impose on men self-restraint. Therefore when rapes occur, they can blame and punish the women, because she was the temptress and he couldn't help himself Excuse me, Sean, but what kind of argument is that? It HAD been allowed so far, and how many terrorists disguising in a burka have there been? As to male self-restraint: Indeed, and how often do you hear "she had it coming to her" when a rape occurs to a woman who was rather scantily clad? That argument is even often used by the defendant's attorney!

^ As I said, my girlfriend is pediatrician, she saw this herself too many times. She's specialized in pediatric cardiology and has worked at the cardiology section of the Necker hospital (enfants malades). I guess that if nothing out of the normal occurs, it is hard to notice that a couple is such a case.

Forgot to say something important: another important thing from Muslim or African families that the French state should ban is sex between close relatives. Unfortunately it appears to be a well spread habit. My girlfriend is pediatrician and she tells me that the chances for a baby born from parents who are brother and sister to have severe heart malformations are huge, around five times higher than normally. This kind of cases are very current in Muslim and African families (especially African Muslims), and it's very sad to see how they have condemned their babies to an awful life because of social prejudices.  She sees this every day at the hospital.

@Ivan: Saint Sophia is Christian architecture  (byzantine, more precisely). But that doesn't mean that Islamic art and architecture isn't wonderful. Unfortunately most of it comes from many centuries ago, when the Arabs had the most advanced civilization and society in the Western World, in aspects such as maths, astronomy, medicine, philosophy, literature, architecture, navigation, etc. Unfortunately they are going backwords ever since.


Edited by harmonium.ro - July 17 2010 at 12:01

BaldJean wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: BaldJean wrote: that really is an astonishing conclusion: people who are pro-burka can not be artistic? go wash your head, Mike; rarely have I heard a worse prejudice. what wonders me most is that no-one so far has named the real reason for the burka ban. it is not about the liberation of Islamic women at all; Sarkozy doesn't give  a rat's ass about that. no, what Sarkozy really is doing is playing on islamophobia. all people of the Islamic faith are being put under general suspicion of being terrorists, then here comes Superman Sarkozy saying: "look here; I do something against that: I ban the burka. if they no longer can hide they no longer can throw bombs".  this is of course highly absurd, but it is exactly these sentiments Sarkozy is playing with, and that's the real reason for the burka ban I'm not one to automatically associate terrorism with Islam, that would be stupid.  But you must admit that it does hide your identity and things of danger can be concealed underneath.  On the other hand, things can be concealed underneath jackets and coats in winter.  On the other hand (wait I have three??) wouldn't surprise me at all is the S man is doing this solely for political reasons.  I think our politicians here in the US have made that more of an art form though. you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists. you just have to watch how the media handle a bombing. first thing they ask:when there was a bombing: does it have an Islamic background. if it does, the bombing gets extra media coverage. if not, it is quickly played down, and you will soon forget all about it. just go and watch the pattern next time there is some kind of bombing

True we haven't seen many manic nuns blowing up innocent people in the name of the Anglican/Catholic/Methodist/Whatever Church

Slartibartfast wrote: thellama73 wrote: ^we don't really hate Brewer so much as find her amusing I watch MSNBC for Keith and Rachel.  I really don't know who Brewer is.

You should check her out. She's a hoot. She once introduced Jesse Jackson as Al Sharpton.

thellama73 wrote: BaldJean wrote: you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists. you just have to watch how the media handle a bombing. first thing they ask:when there was a bombing: does it have an Islamic background. if it does, the bombing gets extra media coverage. if not, it is quickly played down, and you will soon forget all about it. just go and watch the pattern next time there is some kind of bombing I think you are wrong on this point. In the recent Times Square (attempted) bombing MSNBC's Contessa Brewer expressed outright disappointment that the bomber was Muslim and not a member of the tea party. The Obama administration has refused to refer to these attacks as rooted in Islam. If anything, the media is trying desperately to hide from the truth that almost all terrorists attacks in recent years have been from Muslims.

Who the hell is Contessa Brewer?  I thought Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow were the real demons of MSNBC for the right.  I guess you can't report on them doing anything like that.


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 16 2010 at 14:48

BaldJean wrote: you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists. you just have to watch how the media handle a bombing. first thing they ask:when there was a bombing: does it have an Islamic background. if it does, the bombing gets extra media coverage. if not, it is quickly played down, and you will soon forget all about it. just go and watch the pattern next time there is some kind of bombing

I think you are wrong on this point. In the recent Times Square (attempted) bombing MSNBC's Contessa Brewer expressed outright disappointment that the bomber was Muslim and not a member of the tea party. The Obama administration has refused to refer to these attacks as rooted in Islam. If anything, the media is trying desperately to hide from the truth that almost all terrorists attacks in recent years have been from Muslims.

BaldJean wrote: you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists.

For the record, I am not Catholic and I am afraid of nuns.
Gotta watch out for those priests, too.  Judas Priest in particular.


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 16 2010 at 14:39

Slartibartfast wrote: BaldJean wrote: that really is an astonishing conclusion: people who are pro-burka can not be artistic? go wash your head, Mike; rarely have I heard a worse prejudice. what wonders me most is that no-one so far has named the real reason for the burka ban. it is not about the liberation of Islamic women at all; Sarkozy doesn't give  a rat's ass about that. no, what Sarkozy really is doing is playing on islamophobia. all people of the Islamic faith are being put under general suspicion of being terrorists, then here comes Superman Sarkozy saying: "look here; I do something against that: I ban the burka. if they no longer can hide they no longer can throw bombs".  this is of course highly absurd, but it is exactly these sentiments Sarkozy is playing with, and that's the real reason for the burka ban I'm not one to automatically associate terrorism with Islam, that would be stupid.  But you must admit that it does hide your identity and things of danger can be concealed underneath.  On the other hand, things can be concealed underneath jackets and coats in winter.  On the other hand (wait I have three??) wouldn't surprise me at all is the S man is doing this solely for political reasons.  I think our politicians here in the US have made that more of an art form though.

you can conceal weapons and explosives beneath a lot of things. take a nun's habit, for example. but are people afraid of nuns? no, of course not, it is only them Islamic buggers who are the terrorists.
you just have to watch how the media handle a bombing. first thing they ask:when there was a bombing: does it have an Islamic background. if it does, the bombing gets extra media coverage. if not, it is quickly played down, and you will soon forget all about it. just go and watch the pattern next time there is some kind of bombing


Edited by BaldJean - July 16 2010 at 14:33