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jampa17 
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 Posted: July 21 2010 at 14:32 |
 The T wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
The T wrote:
A religion that treats half of the population as second-class beings is the problem. Really, the burqa is but a symptom. I think, after all, it doesn't solve anything, just will exacerbate tensions. It would be great if one could ban the entire muslim faith entire but alas, it can't be done. I guess it's better if we learnt to tolerate them, though they tolerating us is just as difficult. |
Yes, just think about it: MacDonalds, Jonas Brothers, George Bush, Michael Bay, American Football. Isn't THAT hard to tolerate?  |
The same Michael Bay you talk about will one day make an atrocious movie when muslims and westerners kill each other and the world explodes, with a scene depicting an entire football stadium being engulfed in flames, while Bush and the Sheik of Saudi Arabia share a hamburguer in a bunker; but, it is Bay, so in the end the Jonas Brothers will sacrifice themselves to save the planet, allowing to be gang raped by a furious crowd of both muslims and westerners, who will finally realize they can share the same planet if they learn to fight a common enemy. |
The problem is, that it's not that hard to happen...  
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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The T
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 14:00 |
jampa17 wrote:
The T wrote:
A religion that treats half of the population as second-class beings is the problem. Really, the burqa is but a symptom. I think, after all, it doesn't solve anything, just will exacerbate tensions. It would be great if one could ban the entire muslim faith entire but alas, it can't be done. I guess it's better if we learnt to tolerate them, though they tolerating us is just as difficult. |
Yes, just think about it: MacDonalds, Jonas Brothers, George Bush, Michael Bay, American Football. Isn't THAT hard to tolerate? |
The same Michael Bay you talk about will one day make an atrocious movie when muslims and westerners kill each other and the world explodes, with a scene depicting an entire football stadium being engulfed in flames, while Bush and the Sheik of Saudi Arabia share a hamburguer in a bunker; but, it is Bay, so in the end the Jonas Brothers will sacrifice themselves to save the planet, allowing to be gang raped by a furious crowd of both muslims and westerners, who will finally realize they can share the same planet if they learn to fight a common enemy.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 13:54 |
jampa17 wrote:
The T wrote:
A religion that treats half of the population as second-class beings is the problem. Really, the burqa is but a symptom. I think, after all, it doesn't solve anything, just will exacerbate tensions. It would be great if one could ban the entire muslim faith entire but alas, it can't be done. I guess it's better if we learnt to tolerate them, though they tolerating us is just as difficult. |
Yes, just think about it: MacDonalds, Jonas Brothers, George Bush, Michael Bay, American Football. Isn't THAT hard to tolerate? |
McDonalds makes nice steak biscuits. Need to work on the McHaggis though.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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jampa17
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 12:46 |
The T wrote:
A religion that treats half of the population as second-class beings is the problem. Really, the burqa is but a symptom. I think, after all, it doesn't solve anything, just will exacerbate tensions. It would be great if one could ban the entire muslim faith entire but alas, it can't be done. I guess it's better if we learnt to tolerate them, though they tolerating us is just as difficult. |
Yes, just think about it: MacDonalds, Jonas Brothers, George Bush, Michael Bay, American Football. Isn't THAT hard to tolerate?
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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The T
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 11:53 |
^That's why I said "alas, it can't be done".
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 11:41 |
Oh yeah telling people what they're allowed to believe, that's definitely much better. Isn't that the same thing theocracies use for oppression 
Edited by Equality 7-2521 - July 21 2010 at 11:42
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 11:38 |
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A religion that treats half of the population as second-class beings is the problem. Really, the burqa is but a symptom. I think, after all, it doesn't solve anything, just will exacerbate tensions. It would be great if one could ban the entire muslim faith entire but alas, it can't be done. I guess it's better if we learnt to tolerate them, though they tolerating us is just as difficult.
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jampa17
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 10:37 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Don't worry all Islamic/religious people are evil and lazy anyway  |
I love the sarcasm of this place...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 07:35 |
Tony R wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
But don't you realise that in spite of being camouflaged by politics, ethics, philosophies, great (and not so great) authors, at the bottom of it all everyone is being taken for one big ride?
It is my firm belief that after the fall of the Eastern Block some new enemy had to be created by any means possible, and the Muslims just got handed the ticket. Could have been anyone else: The southern half of the globe, the Eskimos, or the Austarlians. In this case the Muslims were just the unlucky ones.
Hence this burqa ban. Just try and see through the smokescreen. Religions are ideal targets, IT'S ALL PROPAGANDA! THE WAR MASCHINE MUST GO ON!
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That's what Jean and I already pointed out. This is not about the burqa at all. It is playing on islamophobia. Sarcozy is a populist. His whole record shows he has never been one for civil liberties, and now he suddenly wants to liberate the poor Islamic women? Nonsense. He is just distracting from the other problems he has.
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Hear! Hear!
100% correct. The burqa may or may not be a symbol of oppression but a free person, in this case a woman, should not be told by the State what they can and cannot wear. It's a canard of the highest order and Sarcozy should be ashamed of himself.
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I'm a little surprized by your stance, here.
It's not just a question of clothing Tony!! It's that these women cannot walk out odf their homes alone. They must accompanied by a pêrson of the same sex or a member of the close family.
In France this young woman (29 years old, I think) was driving a car wearing that stuff (immediate retrieval of the driving license was the consequence).... pretending she's done it for 9 years(lying, really, because it was proven different) ...... She's claiming complete irresponsability, because of the religion that was enforced on her.
not only could she not see a damn thing (or too few to be drive safely), but her movements are competely awkward (the width of the burqa) and make it impossible for safe car driving.
BTW, it is only younger women that wear these things in our western countries, coz their mothers and grandmothers wouldn't be caught dead in that thing >>> most of them moderate muslims mothers don't understand their daughters and most fathers are despaired at seeing this as well. .
Edited by Sean Trane - July 21 2010 at 10:39
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 07:27 |
Piccie of year
They should be lapidated for showing their immodest hands according to the Koran
Edited by Sean Trane - July 21 2010 at 07:37
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Textbook
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 22:03 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 21:33 |
Don't worry all Islamic/religious people are evil and lazy anyway
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Textbook
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 19:26 |
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Yeah I have to admit that my anti-burqa thing is probably at heart my anti-religion thing rearing its head.
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The T
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 18:34 |
^Come on, bullies may be in the top positions in government, but we all know is the geeks and the nerds running the show 
Though I agree with not outlawing cigarettes, drugs, prostitution or anything that doesn't directly harm somebody else. As I said at the beginning, my position on burkas was clearly influenced by my position on islam.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 17:22 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Oh really? Alcohol doesn't harm others? What about drunk driving or the abuse to family and friends committed by alcoholics? Anyway, that's beside the point, because his reason for wanting smoking banned was not based on health concerns, but rather on the fact that he just didn't like it.
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What I meant drinking a beer in the presence of others is not directly harmful to them in the same way smoking is. Alcohol is certainly overall more harmful to society than smoking, but there's no way people are ever going to stop drinking (even though I would prefer they would) so it's pointless to discuss.
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Apparently you're also unsympathetic to the idea of owning your own property and being able to determine how people can behave within it.
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On the one hand, I can see the libertarian argument for this. On the other hand, f**k smokers and I think that society and the government should do everything in their power to eradicate smoking entirely. This position may not be intellectually consistent. |
People think the same thing about 4chan, The Grapes of Wrath, Eyes Wide Shut. I don't know. I just can't empower government bullies with such abandon
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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thellama73
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 17:04 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Oh really? Alcohol doesn't harm others? What about drunk driving or the abuse to family and friends committed by alcoholics? Anyway, that's beside the point, because his reason for wanting smoking banned was not based on health concerns, but rather on the fact that he just didn't like it.
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What I meant drinking a beer in the presence of others is not directly harmful to them in the same way smoking is. Alcohol is certainly overall more harmful to society than smoking, but there's no way people are ever going to stop drinking (even though I would prefer they would) so it's pointless to discuss.
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Apparently you're also unsympathetic to the idea of owning your own property and being able to determine how people can behave within it.
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On the one hand, I can see the libertarian argument for this. On the other hand, f**k smokers and I think that society and the government should do everything in their power to eradicate smoking entirely. This position may not be intellectually consistent. |
Intellectually consistent or not, it made me laugh. 
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 17:02 |
thellama73 wrote:
Oh really? Alcohol doesn't harm others? What about drunk driving or the abuse to family and friends committed by alcoholics? Anyway, that's beside the point, because his reason for wanting smoking banned was not based on health concerns, but rather on the fact that he just didn't like it.
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What I meant drinking a beer in the presence of others is not directly harmful to them in the same way smoking is. Alcohol is certainly overall more harmful to society than smoking, but there's no way people are ever going to stop drinking (even though I would prefer they would) so it's pointless to discuss.
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Apparently you're also unsympathetic to the idea of owning your own property and being able to determine how people can behave within it.
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On the one hand, I can see the libertarian argument for this. On the other hand, f**k smokers and I think that society and the government should do everything in their power to eradicate smoking entirely. This position may not be intellectually consistent.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The T
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 16:56 |
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The T
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 16:52 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
The T wrote:
At that time maybe... But now, if your views are "caring for others' welfare", I can just say
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So its selfish of me to want women to be able to wear what they chose? Sounds like caring for others lives and decisions to me.
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The comment follows another one and I generalized. Though in this case, I will concede, my words might be out of place.
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Icarium
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 16:01 |
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You know how easy alcohol lead peoples thoughts on too other things, (like ladys/men, cars, food, more alchohol, cigarets, fighting, a night behind bars, headakes the next morning), by the way moslems can't drink alcohol only smoke waterpipes with fruit flaveours,
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