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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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I've been a hardcore Jethro Tull fan for years. And I mean HARDCORE, I've got all 20 studio albums, the four Anderson solos, two B-side/rarities collections and a few hours of self collected rarities. They're probably my favourite band of all time if I had to call it.
And yet I don't really like prog-folk and listen to virtually nothing else in the genre. I would listen to any other PA sub-genre (with the exception of my bugbear neo-prog) more than I do prog-folk Is this wierd, to just love ONE band from a genre?
(I suppose this could be a problem not with prog-folk but with a possible misclassification of JT. Fans have noted before that it's odd how JT are almost always described as folk rock when their folk period is really only three albums and that after their commercial heyday.)
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Don't think it's that unusual as the folk elements in Tull are for me at any rate, stylistic affectations rather than pivotal to the content of the music i.e. if you take the folk elements away, the music remains to all intents and purposes, intact?
Having said that though, Ian Anderson's 'urbane jester' routine just gets on my tits ![]() |
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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Me too actually- I've found his live comedy segments less funnier the older I've gotten, though at one time he cracked me up. That's nothing to do with the music though.
btw I think Ring Out Solstice Bells is my favourite Christmas song ever.
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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It's understandable, I guess. Did you try Phoenix? They have a heavy Tull influence, mixed with kraut, psyche, rock'n'roll and classic metal.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I dont think it's that unusual to only like one band of any given sub genre. I'm a big Opeth fan, but I can take or leave most of the prog metal I've heard.
Re; Tull, I think Mr Lemming hits the nail on the head, regarding the folk element in their music. |
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yanch ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: Lowell, MA Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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I'm a huge Tull fan too, and also don't really get into other prog-folk. The folk in Tull's music is not the underlying key element of the music in my opinion, but more of an ingredient in a bigger and unique sound. For an example, the title track of Songs From the Wood, considered Tull's first folk-rock album-is not much of a folk influenced song, the instrumental section are rather heavy and complex. The same can be said for Hunting Girl and Pibroch and perhaps the Whistler.
It's more about integrating the folk element into the rock and prog elements, which have created such a wonderful and unique sound.
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2488 |
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Good observation! The album's themes are English folk lore, but the music is highly eclectic. My favourite track is probably "Velvet Green", which plays tricks with something that sounds like a courtly 16th-century tune. |
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friso ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
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Well.. I love prog-folk and I only dislike most of Jehtro Tull albums.. things happen.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13933 |
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The term prog folk when applied to Tull is a bit misleading, so I don't find your feelings on the sub genre all that strange.
Folk was merely one element of many eclectic other ones that made up Tull's music, and they did, of course, start off as a Blues band. I personally prefer the folkier albums they produced, but am a fan of virtually all of their stuff. You might want to try some other stuff, though. Mostly Autumn have some strong Celtic folk influences, mixed with Floyd and pure prog. I would recommend The Last Bright Light as a good starting point. I've also started to really enjoy The Decemberists music, which has some great folk influences mixed in with an incredibly modern sound. |
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Lizzy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 15 2010 Location: Schnitzelland Status: Offline Points: 4675 |
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Hah! Interesting! I'm the one who loves both Tull AND prog-folk. That being said, I've never regarded Tull as folk band, and whole-heartedly agree with those stating they'd fit the eclectic cathegory. Take all flok elements found in Tull's compositions and you'll get two, maximum three solid folk albums.
However, it was those folk elements that drew me to their music, and when I first listened to First Utterance, my first thought was: Jethro Tull on crack. Had Ian done drugs, he would have come up with something like that. Loved Comus, and from then on I lost control and devoured pretty much all prog folk albums I managed to get my hands on. |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Why are you so sure the Tullboys were "clean"?
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Lizzy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 15 2010 Location: Schnitzelland Status: Offline Points: 4675 |
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I know Ian was clean, not sure about the others. There was a band policy in the early years in this respect as a matter of fact, not sure if it lasted throughout the band's career. And since Anderson was the mastermind behind the compositions, it's him we should focus on when it comes to the outcome of his efforts. (I can also relate to him, because I'm pretty much the same - act stoned, but I'm perfectly sober. ![]() |
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There was a thread on here a short while ago that was asking why Tull were listed as prog folk instead of as eclectic prog. I think the admins ultimately stated that Tull's contributions to the genre pf prog folk were far too considerable to move them into another category. However, I think this might answer your question: Tull are musical chameleons, almost moreso than any other band I can think of. Loving both Aqualung and Catfish Rising, or Minstrel In the Gallery and Under Wraps, is the sign of a true Tull fan. The styles on each of these releases are totally dissimilar, but somehow Tull always sounds like Tull. It's a somewhat inexplicable trait that they share with Queen.
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friso ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
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Ian Anderson openly discarded the hippi movement, so I guess the assumption of Tull being a non-drugs band could very well be true. |
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Liking a band isn't necessarily a precursor to liking everything within their genre. I'm a huge Journey fan but I don't like all AOR.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18993 |
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Hi,
I think that we're over-concerned with the "definition" of the style of his music, when it might have nothing to do with it at all, and it might be the way he's comfortable playing underneath his voice and flute.
There are a lot of bands out there that do not know how to support a flute and woodwinds ... and these tend to get buried in the mixes and in the case of Ozric Tentacles in their earlier days, you can hear it in the albums, but cold day in heck that you could hear it in concert, which only supported drums, bass and guitar, and even forget the keyboards. Ian is intelligent enough to know that the music has to come up and I think that sometimes we do not give him credit for it.
I never thought of his music as "rock", or "prog", or "folk" ... it's just good stuff and music and I couldn't careless for the definition of it. Most definitions are for "fans" in this commercially minded world and has nothing to do with the artist and the music itself. You don't buy Beethoven because it is "classical romantic" music, or Bach because it is "baroque" music.
So, just forget the definition and let go everything else and just enjoy it.
But, please ... there is a lot of music out there in many forms ... and if you let go of the definition, you might find that other things also come to your noggin, and you will like them as well.
Too much of the discussion is by people that only listen to "styles" and the terminology, many times is not adequate to any artist and is also a prison ... you are stuck in something that might not be you at all ... how would you like to be branded by that? Edited by moshkito - October 13 2010 at 15:25 |
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omardiyejon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2010 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 177 |
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i guess it is totally understandable to love only one or a couple of bands from a genre. jethro tull can be a similar example for me about this situation.
but i think jethro tull might be an exception. because jethro is a rare band that can define a certain kind of music itself. they are not just a prog folk band, i mean they are JETHRO TULL
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SouthSideoftheSky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Symphonic Team Joined: June 29 2008 Location: Close To The... Status: Offline Points: 1965 |
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I also don't care very much about genre-definitions. If I like it, I like it. But. Let me just try this thought out on you. I think that what is called Prog Folk here on PA is actually two very different genres that one might call "Prog Folk" and "Folk Prog" respectively. The first is progressive Folk music, the other is progressive Rock with Folk influences. Jethro Tull belong in the second category. They are a Rock band at heart, not a Folk outfit. But they often included elements from Folk music in their brand of Rock. The first category include bands such as The Pentangle. It's Folk music at heart, but with some (minor if you ask me) "progressions" from the established Folk paradigm. Progressive Rock with folky elements appeal to me a lot, but I'm usually not very fond of pure Folk music even if it happens to be progressive. |
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yanch ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: Lowell, MA Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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Very good way of looking at it. I agree. They really are 2 distinct styles and rock with folk elements is the one I really like and Tull fits that description.
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