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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:33 |
No sir.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:24 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I hate chocolate ice cream. |
Ah well. But you wouldn't eat loads of it to try and find out why others do. Or would you?
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:21 |
^ Oh yes, well they might just be over rated a little by some. And unfairly critisised by others. I probably fall in to the former  group.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:19 |
I hate chocolate ice cream.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:17 |
I can't ever remember giving a load of time to listening to a band I don't like! Why do that to find out why others like them so much? daft really. If I find a vocalist 'cringeworthy' I wouldn't give them the time of day. Why torture yourself. There is so much music out there prog or not prog you obviously like wasting time.
I have never understood critisisms of Supper's Ready as being seperate pieces of music sewn together. No matter how many times I listen to it I can never see it that way. It is outstanding but well thats my opinion.
Everybody likes Chocolate Icecream surely?
Oh well back to the Cricket. Oops sorry!!!! (You all live on a conv......)
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glenn_ecko
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:43 |
I would say that Genesis easily makes my list of top 10 bands of all time. With members like Gabriel, Hackett, and Banks - over-rated is im-possible.
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Harold-The-Barrel
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:39 |
If You don't like them, don't listen to them. there isn't any rule that says you have to like them because they're deemed to be one of the better Prog bands. Having said that I just don't trust a Prog fan who says he doesn't at least like some aspects of their music, so Yeah you're missing a lot, but thats your loss, its probably down to your age which I'd say was quite young, judging by your cocky ""well that's your opinion" crap. You're damn right it's my opinion." jibe. I mean if you can't argue a point properly without going on the defence first, well then you've already lost the argument and my respect....for what its worth.
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You must be joking.....Take a running jump......
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infandous
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:31 |
When I heard Genesis Live the first time, it was love at first listen. They just had everything I loved about music at the time (21 years old). Over the years of listening, I have found that for a critical listener (I am a musician as well) there are flaws to be found. I don't much care for the studio version of Supper's Ready, but only because it sounds like it was stitched together in the studio (which it pretty much was). Sections sound very different from each other in many ways. Live, however, the song is a killer epic piece that just gets me every time. Collins was a brilliant drummer in those days, very interesting and innovative in ways that only 70's drummers seem to have been able to manage. Also, I've always liked Gabriel's voice, but could easily see how some might be put off by it, especially if they are used to more "skilled" and "professional" delivery (something we hear a lot in modern prog, but often seems drained of emotion to me, for all the technical skill applied).
If anything, early Genesis is terribly underrated. At least, compared to the wildly popular version of the band in the 80's and 90's. I for one was completely surprised to discover that Gabriel used to be their singer and that they played a more complex and adventurous style of music in the 70's (though in all honesty, the roots of their pop stardom are plainly evident, even in the most "prog" of their numbers like Supper's Ready, Cinema Show, Firth of Fifth, etc.).
But as everyone else has said, don't worry about it. Move on. Listen to what you like. I can think of several bands that seem quite popular here that I find quite dull and uninteresting (cough*Marillion*cough.........as one example). However, I don't assume that because I don't like something it must therefore be "overrated". Just consider that the vast majority of the music listening public likes things like Lady Gaga and Justin Beiber (shudder), in far larger numbers than anyone likes just about any band here (aside from the obvious, like the Beatles, Floyd, Zeppelin, etc.).
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kole
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:27 |
Well, I've listened to prog for about three years, but started to like Genesis few months ago. I listened to them regularly, but they just didn't sink in. Before now. And now, well, they are amongst my top5.
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Rottenhat
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 11:41 |
sarge wrote:
Revan wrote:
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Then maybe I need to clarify myself. Or better yet, try re-reading my post with a 'I don't know what band you guys are listening to but it sure can't be the same mediocre dribble i've just had running through my ears' kind of tone. |
Well, I was a huge Genesis fan back in the days, but nowadays I maybe inclined to say their music is not that interesting anymore. But anyway, the band is maybe still important as a "stepping stone" (or if I dare to say) a gateway from more conventional rock to the more experimental. Genesis is important maybe for the fact that not many goes from let's say straight from Beatles to Henry Cow.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 11:01 |
lazland wrote:
If I were feeling really stroppy this afternoon, I would at this point advise the OP to turn on his TV and watch England give his home nation a thoroughly good stuffing in the Ashes series |
Dammit Laz, you got there before me  ; he's just taking it out on a high profile English band in a fit of pique caused by the damned good thrashing meted out by our chaps
Seriously though - there are many bands (whole genres, even) I just don't get. Bottom line, don't stress over it, just move on to those you do like.
By the way:
NO THEY'RE NOT OVER RATED, GABRIEL ERA GENESIS ARE WONDERFUL & LOVELY, YAH BOO SHUCKS & NO RETURNS.
So there
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:56 |
I assume Ivan hasn't responded yet because his head exploded halfway through the OP.
No they're not. I love Collin's drumming and Gabriel's voice. They're a top 50 band of all time for me.
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Icarium
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:47 |
for that I need more pop-corn and a diet coke
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:39 |
Padraic wrote:
I don't love them myself, though they have their moments of brilliance. Just don't worry, it's OK to not worship any of the sacred cows - no one here will tar and feather you.  |
Well Ivan might. Considering his undying love for Genesis and his undying hatred for the word "overrated".
*waits for Ivan to see the thread*
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Padraic
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:36 |
I don't love them myself, though they have their moments of brilliance. Just don't worry, it's OK to not worship any of the sacred cows - no one here will tar and feather you.
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twosteves
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:11 |
Love Genesis---mostly---maybe the early stuff is too British for you. What prog do you love?
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Icarium
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:35 |
I know what I like ...............................(IN YOUR WARDROBE)
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lazland
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:35 |
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:33 |
lazland wrote:
Answer to the question - no.
If I were feeling really stroppy this afternoon, I would at this point advise the OP to turn on his TV and watch England give his home nation a thoroughly good stuffing in the Ashes series. That's if I was in a bad mood and also cruel enough. As it is, I won't because I have good friends on the site from Oz
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I have friends from Aus.
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lazland
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:31 |
Answer to the question - no. If I were feeling really stroppy this afternoon, I would at this point advise the OP to turn on his TV and watch England give his home nation a thoroughly good stuffing in the Ashes series. That's if I was in a bad mood and also cruel enough. As it is, I won't because I have good friends on the site from Oz
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