Genesis overrated?

Catcher10 wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Catcher10 wrote: ^ That would earn you a back scratch and a dried up pigs ear to chew on..... ...if you were to upload the tv program that is...

Snow Dog wrote: Catcher10 wrote: ^ That would earn you a back scratch and a dried up pigs ear to chew on.....

...if you were to upload the tv program that is...

So much energy expended on whether these top bands are under or over rated. In the mean time there are so many bands who are hardly rated at all.

Woof! *

Edited by wilmon91 - January 06 2011 at 10:26

richardh wrote: moshkito wrote: Hi,   I think that you are superimposing your own tastes onto a band ... you prefer this or that type of drumming and not Phil's ... and in the end, this a problem, when we're trying to define music ... we think, and believe, that only this or that can be had or done, and you just did the same thing with the drumming. While not exactly progressive, you might check Keith Moon, who was "cymbalistic" to say the least ... and he is by far one of the best rock drummers ever.   It has to do with the music ... and if the drummer can only keep time, I usually joke, get a metronome, it's cheaper and doesn't talk back at you! ... and you don't have to put up with ego's! And you might even find some music amidst it all ... ! It's what the experimenting 60's and 70's were about ... and you are superimposing a regiment that did not belong there at all!   And the drumming in those days, was NOT as metronomic as it is today, and was much more centered on the quality and feeling of the moment, than it was around the timing of the music itself ... today's drummers have all the "time" in their snare drum, and nothing else ... and that is not exactly representative of the word "music".   You are correct in the keyboard area ... and it is one of my complaints ... ELP and Genesis are the darlings and such because of keyboards, but Guru Guru and Incredible String Band are not as important, and they are far more progressive and adventurous than both of those bands ... but they will not get the listen because so many of us are stuck on that stupid keyboard mode ... and specially when it has that analog sound, or that hammond sound in it! Heck, to the shame of it all, ISB is rumored to have been booed when they were at Woodstock and apparently did a part of their stage show from "U" ... which goes to tell you that kids were too stoned to enjoy anything except the hits ... is that any different than what you are doing here?   Be careful when you discuss an instrument. Check out Carl Palmer ... it's not all metronomic, but it is very mechanical and well defined. Check out early KC in the early days ... it's not quite metronomic ... and it has uncanny touches to help accentuate the lyrics and the singing, which a lot of modern bands are not capable of doing ...   Excellent post that   My own two cents worth about Genesis is that when I was growing up I felt they were not really that progressive ,and that feeling came from my perception of Banks lack of adventure in the keyboards dept compared to say Emerson or Wakeman. Genesis were much more about the writing (both composition and lyrics) and it took me a long while to really appreciate that.   Nowadays they are one of my favourite bands although ironically I prefer their less progressive sounding albums (ATOTT to Duke) to those recorded during the Gabriel era. But that is just my taste.

76 - 80 is my favourite Genesis period too, although I do love the gabriel era.

It was Tonys keys and Phils drums that reeled me in, when I first heard the band. I remember 'Three sides Live' (or Genesis in America?) was broadcast on TV late one night in 1985 ( I think) and I decided to watch it, with the headphones on, really not expecting much, and not knowing much about the band, apart from that Phil Collins was the singer, and I didn't like him much at the time! I'd hard some Genesis on Tommy Vances Friday rock show too. Watching that concert changed the way I listened to music, and confirmed me as a prog fan and Genesis fan. All the dynamics and twists and turns balanced with the melodies and consumate song writing, were everything I was looking for in band at that time. They've been my favourite prog band ever since.

moshkito wrote: Hi,   I think that you are superimposing your own tastes onto a band ... you prefer this or that type of drumming and not Phil's ... and in the end, this a problem, when we're trying to define music ... we think, and believe, that only this or that can be had or done, and you just did the same thing with the drumming. While not exactly progressive, you might check Keith Moon, who was "cymbalistic" to say the least ... and he is by far one of the best rock drummers ever.   It has to do with the music ... and if the drummer can only keep time, I usually joke, get a metronome, it's cheaper and doesn't talk back at you! ... and you don't have to put up with ego's! And you might even find some music amidst it all ... ! It's what the experimenting 60's and 70's were about ... and you are superimposing a regiment that did not belong there at all!   And the drumming in those days, was NOT as metronomic as it is today, and was much more centered on the quality and feeling of the moment, than it was around the timing of the music itself ... today's drummers have all the "time" in their snare drum, and nothing else ... and that is not exactly representative of the word "music".   You are correct in the keyboard area ... and it is one of my complaints ... ELP and Genesis are the darlings and such because of keyboards, but Guru Guru and Incredible String Band are not as important, and they are far more progressive and adventurous than both of those bands ... but they will not get the listen because so many of us are stuck on that stupid keyboard mode ... and specially when it has that analog sound, or that hammond sound in it! Heck, to the shame of it all, ISB is rumored to have been booed when they were at Woodstock and apparently did a part of their stage show from "U" ... which goes to tell you that kids were too stoned to enjoy anything except the hits ... is that any different than what you are doing here?   Be careful when you discuss an instrument. Check out Carl Palmer ... it's not all metronomic, but it is very mechanical and well defined. Check out early KC in the early days ... it's not quite metronomic ... and it has uncanny touches to help accentuate the lyrics and the singing, which a lot of modern bands are not capable of doing ...

sarge wrote: Mellotrons are great for creating emotion in music, but after hearing Genesis use one it makes me feel the anger like i've just tried mowing my boring lawn with a majestic chair and subsequently failed.

Chris S wrote: Vibrationbaby wrote: Phil wrecked Genesis. After Gabriel packed it in they should have just have restructured themselves and called it something else. Whe And Then There were Three came out I almost wanted to slit my throat. Haha...well I have to say that is the most rediculous comment in 2011 by far.........with those sentiments, seriously, what held you back????