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    Posted: January 31 2011 at 17:41
it is obvious that the term POP is confusing, and it is easly to label music POP, but what is pop to you, or how would you describe POP
 
POP/AOR/MOR/West Coast/David Foster is to many progers synonymos = bad,
 
what is pop is a diffucult question, with no clear answer, but it will be intersting to see if the big minds in the archive can give answers to this mystery
 
are POP = POOP or are POP = WOOP WOOP Tongue


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Pop: The sound a balloon makes when it explodes
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Popular music, non-academic music; before rock and pop got "artsy", non-art music. 

But in the prog-fan world: every artist that sells more than 10 records, 9 of which are NOT bought by a converse-wearing prog geek... 


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Music that gets more attention than it warrants. LOL
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Pop is one of the best thing that happened to contemporary music. Whoever disagrees shouldn't be on this forum.Evil Smile
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Music that sounds as if it were designed by committee.  (And in most cases it has been.)
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According to Tim Smith, the Cardiacs are pop.
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Think about the difference between noise pop and noise rock, I suggest three characteristics of pop:

1. Pop is pretty, in a sweet, smooth way. Rock is beautiful in an edgy, harsh way. Rock is darker.
2. Pop has smooth vocals. Soul and R&B vocals are smooth, while blues vocals are not smooth.
3. Instrumentation: Pop features prominent use of synth, keyboards, electronic sounds etc.. Rock relies on guitars, bass and drums.

When I feel like a sweet, lovely teenage girl (which I wanna beSmile), I go for some pop. But more often I feel the darkness and grimness of living inside "The Wall", then it's time to rock hard.
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POP=POOP

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To me this is no difficult at all. Pop music is non-complex music, with an easy and catchy melody or chorus.

Once in a while a complex song will hit the charts, but this is very rare.
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Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Pop music is non-complex music, with an easy and catchy melody or chorus.

In addition:
The structure is mostly AABA. It has mostly a repetitive chorus.
Length: it has mostly single record length (3-4 min.).
No or very rare dynamic, rhythmic or harmonic change.
The overall sound stays the same throughout song.
Instrumentation: to achieve this specific sound any instrumentation is possible and is used: from orchestra to rock band, to computer generated sounds and sound effects.
(As opposed to rock music, where the basic instrumentation is drums, bass, guitar and/or keyboards.)
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Pop = Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music Tongue
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Like most things musical its hard to transcribe into words. But overmatik and Form. Lady seem to sum it up pretty well. Pop music, for me, doesn't focus on the music and really doesn't give the music room to breath. Its about the lyrics (or about forwarding an idea, using words with a musical backdrop), about being "catchy" and thus is generally simple, sparse in instrumentation, short, restrictive, uncessarily repeatitive, with little imagination, evolution, or room to do something different/musical. Obviously there are degrees to this, and pop music does change as time moves forward, but overall this box is generally stayed in.
(Pure pop I mean, pop-rock (and other such mixes) certainly allows more room for the music, but not much more.)
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Points: 172 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 20:50
damn you guys are haters:) ill have to link some 'pop' that's defies your logics' :)


this song by florence and the machines is currently considered pop in that it is popular mainstream right now, having been featured in the trailer for eat, pray, love and an ep of glee and radio killed to death




this song however is my favorite on her album, both are pretty layered musically imo





Edited by PlumAplomb - February 01 2011 at 21:06
la la la and a bottle of plum!



and when it lands
will my eyes
be closed or open?
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Points: 96 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2011 at 06:26
As I said before, once in a while a complex song will hit the charts, but only by accident. The difference is the fact that the song was not intended to hit the charts. To me the biggest example of this was Pink Floyd with Dark Side in America.
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I don't know the song Dark Side in America... Tongue
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Points: 525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2011 at 09:07
"Everybody talk about pop music" would have been a good title for this topic.
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Points: 172 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2011 at 10:12
Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

"Everybody talk about pop music" would have been a good title for this topic.



i love that song:)

and it's not rare that that happens, it happens all the time in pop, everyday even, if we just take pop to mean popular. you said it yourself pink floyd has been pop, so has yes genesis zeppelin et cet. don't makem e bust out owner of a lonely heart:) i also follow all kinds of music and whats coming out et cet, i'm not saying you guys don't  however, i might be more familiar with whats coming out and getting popular atm than some of you

now the music genre defined as pop is a completely different thing, there we have the spice girls nkotb beiber britney gaga crap, i think thats the stuff you mean. i even ike some of that stuff though, some of it is good imo
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