The Christian Thread

There is no indication in the Scripture that Jesus actually used the "whip" on anyone - i.e., that He actually hit someone - only that He wielded it (obviously in a threatening fashion).  This is very different from going around beating, scourging or killing people.

As for Luke 22:36, please keep Scripture in context.  This is the "Last Supper," and Jesus has just told the apostles that one of them will betray Him.  He has also told Peter that Peter will deny Him three times before the cock crows.  And Jesus is preparing his trip to Gethsemane.  Thus, in context, this passage is warning them that they will not be returning to the "upper room," so they should take everything with them (see the immediately prior passage at Luke 22:35).  It is also likely (but not definitive within the text) that He knows the centurions will accompany Judas, and while He wants no violence, He wants the apostles to be armed for their own protection.  As well (and also not definitive, but certainly suggested), it is almost certainly not coincidence that, just shortly after making this suggestion (that the apostles take their swords), he rebukes one of them for actually using the sword to cut off the ear of a centurion, and even restores the ear right there.

His anger at the Temple was a unique moment in Scripture, the only one we have in which he "intensely" rebukes anyone but the Temple priests, pharisees and scribes; i.e., "common" folk.  And, as He clearly states, His anger was not simply at the creation and running of a marketplace on the Temple grounds, but money-lending and usury.

I'm kind of a Walter when it comes to "newfangled" versions of the Bible (I don't just mean translations, but "funky" versions like this), but I have to say, that looks pretty cool!  

I owe a lot to the two different "Bible for children" that we had in our house, so I don't disapprove of this idea by default. I'll have to admitt this version is... interesting.

harmonium.ro wrote: I owe a lot to the two different "Bible for children" that we had in our house, so I don't disapprove of this idea by default. I'll have to admitt this version is... interesting.

I grew up with one of these.  I enjoyed it more for the artwork though. 

Did the Germans publish the illustrated version with Claudia Schiffer eventually? I read about that when I was a teenager, but I didn't follow as there was no Internet back then. 

What´s the urge of all the atheist to drop by and say  "oh, I won´t take part of this, even though I do not agree at all". Well, how lucky are we for all of you to drop by and just let us know. You know, you could just not say anything, but you dropped by... cause, after all, what is an atheist if he can´t say he doesn´t believes in God every chance he gets/makes for himself!


Back to the topic, I must say I don´t go to church and are not as much as a religous man as I am a spiritual one. But this last few years I´ve found that I´m getting more interested in the spiritual side of me, and maybe some Bible passages might resonate with me. Any suggestions?

Note to self:

 ⁶ So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, ⁷ rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. ⁸ See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

-Colossians 2

Robert: What's your opinion about May 21 and Harold Camping?

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Robert: What's your opinion about May 21 and Harold Camping? In my case I believe it's crap and mathematics magic (well, he's an engineer), but his people are really obsessed. I joined one of their Facebook pages to mention Matthew 24: 35-36 and Mark 13: 31 -32, as you know both say basically the same, but for those who don't know: Mark 13 31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Matthew 24:  35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.  36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. They replied with contradictory answers like that the Son is not Jesus but probably Satan, because Jesus has to know (There's a good explanation for this in the Catholic Encyclopedia), but they kept fighting. After that I mentioned that Harold Camping had predicted the rapture in 1994 and delayed it several times even for 1995 and 1996, and nothing happened, after that I made another quote from the Bible: Deuteronomy 18 wrote:  21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. That was enough and they banned me from all their sites because they didn't wanted to answer. I consider them a sect or a cult, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe so. Iván BTW: Micky was banned a couple days later for joking aboput a rattlesnake. .

I take Jesus at his word when he says that even he (the Son) does not know the day or time of his return (this causes some major problems for Trinitarians who insist Jesus is omniscient, but I'll leave that alone for now).

Wikipedia wrote: According to Camping, each church/denomination has their own unique set of doctrines and hermeneutics, which dictate how they understand the Bible, and this is what he believes makes Family Radio, a world wide, non-profit, non-denominational Christian based ministry, so different. Recently, as what he believes to be the Biblical date for Judgment Day (May 21, 2011) draws near, Family Radio has become affiliated with eBibleFellowship.com, another Bible-based ministry. Followers continue to listen to Camping despite the fact that he was wrong in his previous prediction of the end of the world. In his book 1994? he claimed there was a very high likelihood that the world would end in September 1994, although he did acknowledge in the book "the possibility does exist that I could be wrong. He makes no mention of this failure when establishing his new claims of the end of the world in October 2011. Camping has received criticism from a number of leaders, scholars, and laymen within the Christian community for his predictions on when the Rapture will take place. His critics argue that Jesus Christ Himself taught that no man knows the day or the hour of the Lord's return.

So he was wrong before, eh?

Camping is a fearmonger who, like global warming alarmists, seek to turn a profit off people's fear.  I have no use for him.

2 Peter 2:1-3 says:

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Robert: If you know me, you should be sure  that before contradicting somebody, I would check his /her arguments, so I took the time to check all his arguments, which are hallucinating:

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 31 2011 at 10:47