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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:21 |
"Usama Bin Landen"?
OP links are too predictable.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:19 |
Oh come on T, surely you can find a link to put in the OP, don't be so lazy. I'll even give you something.  PROOFREADING! As for the news: I am surprised. I don't know what else to say. I doubt it will have much of an impact on anything.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:17 |
Bin Laden may be dead, but the war isn't over yet.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:16 |
But if you captured him alive and held him for trial what do you think would happen? Al Qaeda would plan something terrible(a massive bombing,maybe threaten to release some tasty anthrax or smallpox spores on an unsuspecting city) unless we released him.He might be a martyr in death,but I think it was better than taking him alive.
And I got the acronym wrong,it's JSOC(Joint Spec Ops Command).Pretty much takes all the best spec ops units and personnel and they work together on highly classified activities.
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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:12 |
Yes, bringing him in alive would've been so much better in every possible way...
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:02 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
...... Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
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Obama said some tips about a year ago pointed to Pakistan and Bin Laden being holed up in a compound there.Took quite a few months to verify all the intel and then a small team was sent in to take him out,probably the Joint Spec Ops Group.I really don't think he was killed in the firefight,I think he was executed,which is fine by me. |
So that's this "JSOP" that the news keeps talking about. Yeah, they've been saying we're going to hear that acronym a lot very soon. Pretty much Jody, this was not a firefight obviously. It was a search and kill. Great for all the families affected that can feel some closure, but if Osama was killed in a firefight well OK....what are you going to do? Now that it seems this was a specific operation targeted to get him, I really wish he was captured, brought here, tried and forced to rot in jail for the rest of his life. Those that are dedicated to terrorism will use this for their own purpose as well. Instead of a martyr I'd like him to be a coward, sitting in isolation and wallowing in his failure.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:57 |
JJLehto wrote:
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
...... Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
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Obama said some tips about a year ago pointed to Pakistan and Bin Laden being holed up in a compound there.Took quite a few months to verify all the intel and then a small team was sent in to take him out,probably the Joint Spec Ops Group.I really don't think he was killed in the firefight,I think he was executed,which is fine by me.
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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:56 |
I need to see the body...
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:56 |
The US has armed everyone..this is nothing new.
Once the Soviet union self imploded Bin Laden directed his jihad against the next super power, the US. Continuing
to go after the Soviet union would have meant nothing to his followers.
We cannot understand the mind of a religious zealot.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:55 |
I thought he died like 3 years ago
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:52 |
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
...... Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:50 |
cannon wrote:
I think Bin Laden has been irrelevent over the last few years. The Moslem world, particularly the Middle East has figured out the thier own governments are the infidels, not the west. |
Indeed. This doesn't have to be symbolic only for us. It's sad how horrid and idiotic our thoughts and beliefs have been towards the Arab World have been. Would be great if those fighting their own government's in the Middle East could use this to stand strong. Kinda like "yeah the old days are dead"
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:48 |
Great news,just watched Obama's speech.
The only thing that concerns me is Al-Qaeda's response.All Americans abroad are in danger,and our troops in Afghanistan are going to face some really tough times.
But he needed hunted and killed like the rabid animal he was,and we can face the consequences.
Edited by TheProgtologist - May 01 2011 at 23:16
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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:47 |
The US pretty much picked this fight. Long ago. When they pretry much settled on holy land. And also when they armed Bin Laden. Twofold way of picking the fight.
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:45 |
The findings of the 9/11 commission report would disagree with you.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:43 |
Atkingani wrote:
Just remembering that Al Qaeda killed innocent people around the world including in poor countries like Kenya and Tanzania, and also Spain and the UK. Even in the rich countries the majority of the victims were common people, simple workers...
Their "war" was (is) insane! |
Exactly!! So many innocent people, so many lives disrupted by the insanity of this man and Al Qaeda.....This needed to happen. I for one am glad this happened.....the US did not ask for this fight.
Never forget 9/11.
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:42 |
Wow they interrupted my baseball game for this stupid speech.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:34 |
Best Facebook status I've seen on the matter:
"Osama or Anne Frank for hide and seek champion of the world." At least that made me lol a bit.
Seriously though, I'm not really sure this is a good thing in the end.
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:28 |
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
but jesus christ.....for one day let's feel something good.
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Better do it fast. Obama's speech will be a shining pillar of opportunism.
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Absolutely right you are, but f**k Obama. I'll hold onto it for a day, and those who were directly affected I hope will also look past the wave of BS coming and hold onto it for as long as they can. Like I said, it is largely symbolic and it's known I don't go for that but I am only human Pat..an unimaginable amount of hell has come over the last 9 and a half years. So for one day I'm taking comfort, and I don't care.
Edited by JJLehto - May 01 2011 at 22:29
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:25 |
JJLehto wrote:
but jesus christ.....for one day let's feel something good.
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Better do it fast. Obama's speech will be a shining pillar of opportunism.
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