Bin Laden is dead.

Slartibartfast wrote: Oh crap it's back.  Can we please launch some drones at the royal wedding coverage?

Tactical nuke strike.

You'll thank us someday, Britain.

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: My thoughts are: Bin Laden was the face of evil so who will replace him?

toroddfuglesteg wrote: What was Bin Laden's ID here in ProgArchives ?

So we spent over half a trillion dollars, and nearly 10 years looking for the guy? Well, it's about f*cking time.

Also, all this makes me question these wars more. Apparently this operation was based off many months of intelligence gathering and tip offs, and obviously didn't require the US army.

We seem to know who's next in line to lead AQ.

For years various US agencies were piecing together the puzzle, in the months before 9/11 the FAA got a bunch of warnings of terrorist attacks, there was the infamous memo to George W Bush a month before about planes probably being used in a terrorist attack! Which he didn't read. Not to mention numerous tip offs from various countries about AQ and a large attack.

We even caught Ramzi Yousef and KSM once and uncovered a plot to hijack planes (7 I think) and fly them into buildings all over the US!

The intelligence that can be gathered is amazing! Using that, I don't see the need for wars. The world can pull its resources and hurt these organizations in secret, but without elite forces sneaking around. 

They already seem to know who #2 is (and I suppose the heir to AQ now)
Edit: Agi has presented the name.
Yes, it is more than 9/11 and the US. Bin Laden is responsible for killing many across the world, going back for years.

AQ has become disjointed, but that actually makes it even more difficult. Like a tapeworm, it broke up but each piece continued to live and can operate on it's own. Now AQ is decentralized! Which is always more difficult to deal with.



Edited by JJLehto - May 02 2011 at 04:20

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: JJLehto wrote: AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: Lets hope Bin Laden doesnt become a martyr because as he went down in a blaze of glory it appears to be scripted to perfection.  He will be. If he was captured alive though and rotted in jail the cause would probably still be empowered. Maybe maybe not as much... How will they dispose of the body? Supposedly burying it at sea. And will we ever see a 9/11 ever again? No way to know, but I 100% believe something will happen....   Dead or alive, Bin Laden's AQ operation will continue but at least that maniac is dead...   A symbolic body blow to the Al Queada in any case. Indeed, it is all symbolic and wont hurt AQ at all, not to mention those that operate outside AQ are totally untouched.   That all makes sense... thanks!   My thoughts are: Bin Laden was the face of evil so who will replace him? He bombed Tanzania locales all those years. Then the massive 9/11 operation of course made him a household name.   His death is a symbolic blow but the catalyst for a new wave of terrorist attacks unfortunately. The AQ may want to show the world they are still a force to be reckoned with. AQ is now a franchise with offshoots worldwide under different pseudonyms especially AQ in the Arabian Peninsula.   He can be replaced by the Egyptian born surgeon that worked for him. This is the scenario on the news anyway.

JJLehto wrote: AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: Lets hope Bin Laden doesnt become a martyr because as he went down in a blaze of glory it appears to be scripted to perfection.  He will be. If he was captured alive though and rotted in jail the cause would probably still be empowered. Maybe maybe not as much... How will they dispose of the body? Supposedly burying it at sea. And will we ever see a 9/11 ever again? No way to know, but I 100% believe something will happen....   Dead or alive, Bin Laden's AQ operation will continue but at least that maniac is dead...   A symbolic body blow to the Al Queada in any case. Indeed, it is all symbolic and wont hurt AQ at all, not to mention those that operate outside AQ are totally untouched.

TheProgtologist wrote: JJLehto wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: JJLehto wrote: Sad thing is I have already seen 2 FB statuses about "Ill believe it when I see the death certificate" and one did call for the long form. Yeah, the impressive nature of that facility and it's location in Pakistan would make that claim credible Jody. Oh and also common sense And yes, clearly no border was going to stop us from getting him. It's easy to look at it from the US's point of view, obviously, but you don't have any qualms with a secret force walking into countries to kill someone? Though I already know you're answer is going to be "no"   No   I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.   I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest. OK, but what if some secret force came into the United St.....wait a second! Damn it Jody Hell, at least you are being honest and not trying to hide.   And to be honest my friend,this isn't the first time we snuck into another country with a small,elite force and took care of business.Not the first and unfortunately not the last.

I never knew that but I always "knew" that. Well....
Do you mean times like the Cold War days when we toppled governments at will? Or actually going in Sam Fischer style to take someone out?


Oh, and a professor I had(long time CIA career) once slipped about us going to nab Hugo Chavez...and quickly tried it to play it off
Of course we failed on that one.




Edited by JJLehto - May 02 2011 at 03:51

Henry Plainview wrote: Blacksword wrote: Atavachron wrote:  ^ darker than religious extremism? I doubt it--  and isn't UBL's figurehead symbolism what made him an important target?   Retribution. There is something darker than religious extremism, and that's religious extremism with a taste for revenge. And, once again: I do not see how al-Qaeda can want to kill people any more than they currently do.    TheProgtologist wrote: No   I would have a problem with a secret force coming into THIS country to kill someone,but not a US force going into another country to kill someone.   I know that is totally hypocritical but I am just being honest. Well at least you aren't pretending your opinion has a logical basis...