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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2013 at 17:36
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Well, well, well!
         For the first time in my life, on the net tonight, i saw a direct reference to a concert with Triumvirat in Canada.
 (I started a thread on Triumvirat in Canada, but it has been closed)
           The reference mentions Supertramp and Triumvirat -Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium, Calgary, Alberta, Canada for Tues. Aug. 5th, 1975.
              It does not mention who led in for who, and whether this concert actually did take place for certain.
        Anybody out there actually see the show?
           
Triumvirat in Canada was a reality. I checked the above reference recently, and someone signed up as having been to this Calgary concert so long ago. Makes me wonder if there were any other Canadian dates.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2012 at 15:31
I read last week on Barry Palmer's site that when Pompeii was released in 1977, at that time, producer and keyboardist Juergen Fritz was against touring in support of the album. This was frustrating, as Barry recounts, and he never really understood why Fritz wouldn't. Posters of Pompeii's album cover were all over America at the time, but no American tour. Pompeii bombed in America.
                     A while later, though, the album and it's single The Hymn did well in Germany, and there was some touring over there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2012 at 15:23
^thanks, guys, yeah, i'm lucky to have this, a member of progressiveears was getting rid of his VHS cassettes, and i was on the recieving end.
                 I read in some reviews of the concerts that the Triumvirat song "Waterfall" was done, but no sign of it on the tapes. Oh, well, 90% of such a rare thing as the St. Louis concerts is quite good, anyhow!Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2012 at 10:01
I remember seeing both Par Lindh and Alaska at a prog festival around that same time.  They played the ELP covers then, too.  I remember "Rondo" very well.  Good times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2012 at 09:56

You are a lucky man Doug! Glad you enjoyed your Triumvirat nostalgia fest.

PLP are one of my favourite keyboard based bands. Par Lindh certainly knows his stuff.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 13:19
Last week, for the first time, i saw the performances from the "St. Louis Progressive Keyboard Extravaganza" taped in St. Louis, Missouri, USA at the Centenary Church, June 5, 1999, and the Off Broadway Night Club, June 7, 1999, from a set of the original limited edition VHS cassettes made at the time, and offered for sale initially by the Triumvirat.net site.
                   The groups Alaska and the Par Lindh Project are there, as well as former Triumvirat singer Barry Palmer, who flew over from England.
                  First time i hear either Alaska or the Par Lindh Project, and was very impressed on both accounts with their own music, real classical rock.
                        Also some early ELP was played, Alaska doing Hoedown, and a partial Tarkus suite, and Par Lindh Project doing Jerusalem and Rondo.
                The most special part of these concerts was with Barry Palmer, who did some Triumvirat backed by Alaska and at times Par Lindh (also some of Palmer's own musicians)-I Believe from Old Loves Die Hard, and Spartacus and The Deadly Dream of Freedom from the Spartacus album. Though Barry was wrestling with a sore throat at the time, he did his very best, and was really polite and nice on stage. And before singing Spartacus, he said "God bless you, Helmut" which i thought was really cool. He made other references to Helmut Koellen, saying  "he felt him giving us a good vibe".
                  Palmer also does some songs that were to be put on a solo album of his, and a single. "Dear John" -a "letter to John Lennon", Night Thoughts, Ghost of a Love, and Miracle Tonight. These songs are featured on Barry Palmer's new solo album "Night Thoughts" just released this fall.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2012 at 18:24
As some of you may already know, recently there has been released a 3 DVD set of live concerts that were part of the ABC In Concert series from 1973 and 1974.
 
                I had been told previously by the show's host Don E. Branker that all the videos were thrown out, and that there would be no DVDs in the future, but then this new DVD set

                Well, possibly Triumvirat's show from January 1975 could surface on DVD in the future-if shows from 73 and 74 have, well why not 75?
                    Triumvirat fans keep your eyes and ears open!Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2011 at 17:49
 I recently found some info on Triumvirat live on the net which i wanted to share
         A couple of people who had seen them open for ELO on the US east coast in 1974 were remembering that they had a quite ahead of it's time light show technology.
              Things like a "robot droid" holding fresnel lights, spinning mirror spots, etc.
           And each tom of the drums had a sensor for a spot underneath the acrylic/clear floor of the drum riser
             And a rotating stage for the drum solo.
          And were talking as far back as 1974 for all of this!Thumbs Up
            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2011 at 18:32
There are some other Triumvirat live documents that i wanted to mention

    Seems there are some other bootleg live recordings of note
         Oct. 12th, 1974 at the Palace Theatre, Providence, RI, USA and
          Nov. 1st, 1974 at the St. Bernard Cultural Center, Chalmette, LA, USA
          in both of these concerts, they were touring in support of Fleetwood Mac, and played pretty well all of the music from their Illusions On A Double Dimple album, the band at this time comprised of Jurgen Fritz, Hans Bathelt, and Helmut Koellen

            Live in Germany -this concert taped from an FM radio broadcast in Germany in 1980

        and also, some videos from German television
          one program featuring music from their album Pompeii with Barry Palmer on  vocals,
          and another video featuring the song Party Life from the Russian Roulette album

             i have no idea if any of this stuff will be officially released, let's hope so!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2011 at 11:44
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

BTW Presdoug, I been searching for a Triumvirat VCR or DVD for decades, IMO one of the greatest Prog bands ever.

People compare them with ELP, but II believe Illusions and Spartacus are better than most ELP albums, except maybe Trilogy, their arrangements are far more elaborate and the piano skills of Jurgen Fritz are superb.

Iván
They will always be my very favorite band, Ivan, especially Illusions and Spartacus. Would love to have a video of some sort
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2011 at 11:40
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

John posted this to his Facebook page last Friday:

"John Goodsall and Percy Jones, who wrote all but a few tunes by Brand X, have never been paid royalties for over 35 years of worldwide sales for the 1st 6 legally released Brand X albums or the subsequent 10 or more Brand X compilations. Only one company, Buckyball Records, an indie label has ever paid the 2 composers royalties."
Hey, cstack3, that looks like a beautiful bass guitar you're holding in your hands in your avatar.
  Is it a Rick? Anything special about where you got it, or who from, or anything like that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2011 at 00:41
BTW Presdoug, I been searching for a Triumvirat VCR or DVD for decades, IMO one of the greatest Prog bands ever.

People compare them with ELP, but II believe Illusions and Spartacus are better than most ELP albums, except maybe Trilogy, their arrangements are far more elaborate and the piano skills of Jurgen Fritz are superb.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 23:08
John posted this to his Facebook page last Friday:

"John Goodsall and Percy Jones, who wrote all but a few tunes by Brand X, have never been paid royalties for over 35 years of worldwide sales for the 1st 6 legally released Brand X albums or the subsequent 10 or more Brand X compilations. Only one company, Buckyball Records, an indie label has ever paid the 2 composers royalties."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 21:25
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Well, well, well!
         For the first time in my life, on the net tonight, i saw a direct reference to a concert with Triumvirat in Canada.
 (I started a thread on Triumvirat in Canada, but it has been closed)
           The reference mentions Supertramp and Triumvirat -Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium, Calgary, Alberta, Canada for Tues. Aug. 5th, 1975.
              It does not mention who led in for who, and whether this concert actually did take place for certain.
        Anybody out there actually see the show?
           

Have you tried contacting the musicians themselves?  I'm friends with many proggers like John Goodsall, we chat all the time.   

Of course, you'd have to contact Helmut's next of kin....such a sad and stupid ending to a brilliant career!  
If it's not too out of line....can you please ask John Goodsall one day if the original back catalog of Brand X might be remastered and released in the near future? Could you imagine how fantastic it would be if Esoteric were to re-do those titles?
 
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I'll give you the simple answer:  "no."  Both John and Percy Jones were hosed big-time out of their royalties (I know 'em both).  
This I don't have a difficult time believing. Yet I am shocked when I think of the importance the both of them had to myself and many musicians around me during the 70's. Both of these guys had a huge impact on musicians who were younger and worked feverishly to learn Brand X pieces. They deserve their royalties just for entering the music world and giving us inspiration to move foward.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 20:23
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

If the original master tapes of the Triumvirat live show from Kirshner were released officially on cd,.....I would probably buy it. I think that would be a unique listening experience. Forget the visual for dvd......I would just love to hear the performances. Or any early show of theirs would do nicely.

i know what you mean, even audio only, wouldn't it be something! Maybe something legit, live and purely audio from the early Triumvirat days will surface, let's hope so


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 20:09
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I found out from someone in Germany that around 75/76 in Germany there was a television program featuring Triumvirat known as Bios Bahnhof Music that featured music and interviews regarding Old Loves Die Hard.
        Bad news is that he does not believe that it was ever re-broadcast.
         Wouldn't that be something to see, though!

This reminds me of a similar case.

In 1992 Rick Wakeman played on Lima, the concert was amazing because Ricks instruments were sent to Paraguay (IATA CODE Pa) instead of Perú (IATA code Pe).

So the concert started at 1:00 am and Rick was so touched because still the hall was full (On a working day) that he played until 4 am one of his best shows, also because it was the last show with my best friend who died months later on a car accident.

When I was leaving saw 8 cameras with the logo of a Peruvian station, so prepared my VCR to tape it, but never was broadcasted.

Years later I was hired for a case on that TV station and asked the General Manager for a copy, so he gave me a pass or the basement (The archive) and started to search, after hours found the magic tape "RICK WAKEMAN 1992 SHOW, WITH INTERVIEWS"....God it was like finding the holy Grail, the administrator prepared 3 tapes and the machine to make me a professional recording, but when the copy started...IT WAS A MENUDO SHOW TAPED OVER WAKEMAN'S CONCERT. Angry

So don't expect to find a copy, TV cameramen take old tapes to record more popular shows.

Iván


What a story! Man, Ivan, i feel your pain. (and some pain of my own) Probably one the biggest "If Onlies" of your life. As you can see with Triumvirat live, i have some of my own painful if onlies, too. Unfortunately, such is life
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 18:57
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I found out from someone in Germany that around 75/76 in Germany there was a television program featuring Triumvirat known as Bios Bahnhof Music that featured music and interviews regarding Old Loves Die Hard.
        Bad news is that he does not believe that it was ever re-broadcast.
         Wouldn't that be something to see, though!

This reminds me of a similar case.

In 1992 Rick Wakeman played on Lima, the concert was amazing because Ricks instruments were sent to Paraguay (IATA CODE Pa) instead of Perú (IATA code Pe).

So the concert started at 1:00 am and Rick was so touched because still the hall was full (On a working day) that he played until 4 am one of his best shows, also because it was the last show with my best friend who died months later on a car accident.

When I was leaving saw 8 cameras with the logo of a Peruvian station, so prepared my VCR to tape it, but never was broadcasted.

Years later I was hired for a case on that TV station and asked the General Manager for a copy, so he gave me a pass for the basement (The archive) and started to search, after hours found the magic tape "RICK WAKEMAN 1992 SHOW, WITH INTERVIEWS"....God it was like finding the holy Grail, the administrator prepared 3 tapes and the machine to make me a professional recording, but when the copy started...IT WAS A MENUDO SHOW TAPED OVER WAKEMAN'S CONCERT. Angry

So don't expect to find a copy, TV cameramen take old tapes to record more popular shows.

Iván




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 17:45
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Well, well, well!
         For the first time in my life, on the net tonight, i saw a direct reference to a concert with Triumvirat in Canada.
 (I started a thread on Triumvirat in Canada, but it has been closed)
           The reference mentions Supertramp and Triumvirat -Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium, Calgary, Alberta, Canada for Tues. Aug. 5th, 1975.
              It does not mention who led in for who, and whether this concert actually did take place for certain.
        Anybody out there actually see the show?
           

Have you tried contacting the musicians themselves?  I'm friends with many proggers like John Goodsall, we chat all the time.   

Of course, you'd have to contact Helmut's next of kin....such a sad and stupid ending to a brilliant career!  
If it's not too out of line....can you please ask John Goodsall one day if the original back catalog of Brand X might be remastered and released in the near future? Could you imagine how fantastic it would be if Esoteric were to re-do those titles?
 
Unorthodox Behaviour
Morocon Roll
Live Stock
Masques
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Do They Hurt?
 

I'll give you the simple answer:  "no."  Both John and Percy Jones were hosed big-time out of their royalties (I know 'em both).  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 17:05
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Well, well, well!
         For the first time in my life, on the net tonight, i saw a direct reference to a concert with Triumvirat in Canada.
 (I started a thread on Triumvirat in Canada, but it has been closed)
           The reference mentions Supertramp and Triumvirat -Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium, Calgary, Alberta, Canada for Tues. Aug. 5th, 1975.
              It does not mention who led in for who, and whether this concert actually did take place for certain.
        Anybody out there actually see the show?
           

Have you tried contacting the musicians themselves?  I'm friends with many proggers like John Goodsall, we chat all the time.   

Of course, you'd have to contact Helmut's next of kin....such a sad and stupid ending to a brilliant career!  
Thanks for your suggestion, cstack3. Definitely worth attempting. I believe i know how to reach Jurgen Fritz on the net, Hans Bathelt i am not sure, and possibly Helmut Koellen's sister, Elke Schlimbach (who remarried evidently for a second time, so the last name may now be different)
          Being Canadian, i have always  been curious about possible Triumvirat activities here in the seventies
         Sometimes i feel like hell when i think of Helmut Koellen being gone all these years, i know what you mean, what a senseless waste

I'm lucky that I saw them!  I liked Helmut's work on both guitar AND bass (like him, I am a player of both), and also his vocals!!  As I recall, he spoke no English and had to learn the lyrics phonetically.  

Good luck with your quest, you may find some cool stuff if you can engage the band members.  They'll be glad to know people still care. 
  I managed to e-mail Jurgen Fritz, so we'll see what happens-it would be a thrill to get a direct reply, considering how big a fan i am of his! I am also going to try to contact Bathelt and Helmut's sister Elke-never know until you try
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2011 at 17:02

If the original master tapes of the Triumvirat live show from Kirshner were released officially on cd,.....I would probably buy it. I think that would be a unique listening experience. Forget the visual for dvd......I would just love to hear the performances. Or any early show of theirs would do nicely.

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