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Well, that just means that we all had a real need to discuss Michele Bachmann and the fear that the thought of her being president puts into our hearts and minds.
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Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I don't care about economics but about people.Countries should sign a world agreement on minimum wage and also on taxes because rich people never pay and make the poor pay,that's not fair.Banksters always despise State and prefer relying on themselves,ok then so when you fail don't ask some help and shut up!Be logical for Godness Sake!I'm poor so I'm not going to vote for people who wish to impoverish the poor!Minimum wage should be the global rule and it must be raised,Rich should pay their taxes,Davos,like Wall Street,City....., should disappear.I know I'm a dreamer but Tierra y Libertad! 
 
 
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Well, that just means that we all had a real need to discuss Michele Bachmann and the fear that the thought of her being president puts into our hearts and minds.



Oh I won't disagree with that but doesn't everyone agree? LOL
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Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I don't care about economics but about people.Countries should sign a world agreement on minimum wage and also on taxes because rich people never pay and make the poor pay,that's not fair.Banksters always despise State and prefer relying on themselves,ok then so when you fail don't ask some help and shut up!Be logical for Godness Sake!I'm poor so I'm not going to vote for people who wish to impoverish the poor!Minimum wage should be the global rule and it must be raised,Rich should pay their taxes,Davos,like Wall Street,City....., should disappear.I know I'm a dreamer but Tierra y Libertad! 
 

1. You can't care about people without caring about economics.  Rich people aren't rich just because they're rich.  The wealth was generated somehow- not magically.  Likewise, poor people aren't magically poor- there are reasons for this.  These reasons are a part of economics.

2 .There is no way to enforce such a world agreement.  The only recourse an international governing body would have is going to war (which I assume you do not desire) or imposing trade embargoes, which will make everybody poorer (especially the poor).

3. A person making $100 million a year will pay more taxes in one year than an impoverished person will pay his entire life.

4. I actually agree about the...erm..."banksters" relying on themselves (and their investors and clientele) rather than on government subsidies and bailouts.

5. I am being logical.  And a good speller.

6. I'm poor, and I don't wish to vote for anyone who wants to further impoverish poor people either.  That's why I don't vote for those who would cheapen our money by increasing the minimum wage.

7. Rich people do more for poor people than any government entity ever has or ever can.

8. Do you even know what Wall Street is?
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I don't care about economics but about people.Countries should sign a world agreement on minimum wage and also on taxes because rich people never pay and make the poor pay,that's not fair.Banksters always despise State and prefer relying on themselves,ok then so when you fail don't ask some help and shut up!Be logical for Godness Sake!I'm poor so I'm not going to vote for people who wish to impoverish the poor!Minimum wage should be the global rule and it must be raised,Rich should pay their taxes,Davos,like Wall Street,City....., should disappear.I know I'm a dreamer but Tierra y Libertad! 
 
 
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Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

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I used to be a Libertarian, but then I grew up and realized that we don't live in a perfect world.  And since we are essentially a mass of imperfect humanity with (as you have stated) many different wants, need and desires, none of the many social, economic and political systems we all learned about in school and in life can work perfectly or meet everyone's needs. 
 


I didn't read your post, but I would like to point out this is basically the argument for libertarianism.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I don't care about economics but about people.Countries should sign a world agreement on minimum wage and also on taxes because rich people never pay and make the poor pay,that's not fair.Banksters always despise State and prefer relying on themselves,ok then so when you fail don't ask some help and shut up!Be logical for Godness Sake!I'm poor so I'm not going to vote for people who wish to impoverish the poor!Minimum wage should be the global rule and it must be raised,Rich should pay their taxes,Davos,like Wall Street,City....., should disappear.I know I'm a dreamer but Tierra y Libertad! 
 

1. You can't care about people without caring about economics.  Rich people aren't rich just because they're rich.  The wealth was generated somehow- not magically.  Likewise, poor people aren't magically poor- there are reasons for this.  These reasons are a part of economics.  Some are worthwhile...some are not.  There are plenty of rich who got there via unscrupulous means of themselves or their forefathers...and there are plenty of poor whose forefathers generated that situation for them and noone has yet to break that cycle.  

2 .There is no way to enforce such a world agreement.  The only recourse an international governing body would have is going to war (which I assume you do not desire) or imposing trade embargoes, which will make everybody poorer (especially the poor).  It is interesting that there are many jobs that have come back to the US after having been transferred to India and Mexico, because the piddly wages grew exponentially in those countries and the quality of work received sucked.  But trade embargoes and tariffs could be used to greater effect to level the playing field.

3. A person making $100 million a year will pay more taxes in one year than an impoverished person will pay his entire life. WHY DO 7,000 MILLIONAIRES PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES? http://blogs.cfed.org/cfed_news_clips/2011/06/76-million-families-and-7000-m.html

4. I actually agree about the...erm..."banksters" relying on themselves (and their investors and clientele) rather than on government subsidies and bailouts. Scourge of the free world are those banksters.

5. I am being logical.  And a good speller. Wot?

6. I'm poor, and I don't wish to vote for anyone who wants to further impoverish poor people either.  That's why I don't vote for those who would cheapen our money by increasing the minimum wage. Your choice.  I don't trust businesses to do the right thing and although a minimum wage really means jacksh*t it is better than what would happen without one.  But this can be argued forever and both answers are both right and wrong and the correct answer is somewhere in between.

7. Rich people do more for poor people than any government entity ever has or ever can.  I don't do anything for people.   Angry  Well, other than download their CDs when they are released. Wink

8. Do you even know what Wall Street is?  A street paved with gold?




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I told people to take it to another thread, but they wanted to keep it here. Besides the original topic sucked anyway.
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2011 at 17:28
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

1. Thread begins in General Discussions
2. Libertarians f**k it up

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3. Stoney makes "alternative" comment

4. JJ counters with an even more pretentious one

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Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I don't care about economics but about people.Countries should sign a world agreement on minimum wage and also on taxes because rich people never pay and make the poor pay,that's not fair.Banksters always despise State and prefer relying on themselves,ok then so when you fail don't ask some help and shut up!Be logical for Godness Sake!I'm poor so I'm not going to vote for people who wish to impoverish the poor!Minimum wage should be the global rule and it must be raised,Rich should pay their taxes,Davos,like Wall Street,City....., should disappear.I know I'm a dreamer but Tierra y Libertad! 
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Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:


I used to be a Libertarian, but then I grew up and realized that we don't live in a perfect world.  And since we are essentially a mass of imperfect humanity with (as you have stated) many different wants, need and desires, none of the many social, economic and political systems we all learned about in school and in life can work perfectly or meet everyone's needs. 
 


1. Yes so you grow up and then decide individual responsibility (vital part of libertarianism) is not good. Kind of contradictory growing-up you have undergone.
2. Ok so none of the political systems work. All of those depended on a very strong government. You basically are giving reasons pro-libertarianism.
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

1. Thread begins in General Discussions
2. Libertarians f**k it up

Yep, there's PA for you.


3. Stoney makes "alternative" comment

4. JJ counters with an even more pretentious one

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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Well, that just means that we all had a real need to discuss Michele Bachmann and the fear that the thought of her being president puts into our hearts and minds.



Oh I won't disagree with that but doesn't everyone agree? LOL
Liberals hate her, libertarians seem to hate her...no conservatives exist on this site so who knows heh

Speaking as a liberal, I do not hate her.  I just think she has no business holding the office she does and particularly not anything higher.  I do find her babble amusing.

Here have some of this:

cartoon: comic about unemployment and economic stimulus


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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

1. Thread begins in General Discussions
2. Libertarians f**k it up

Yep, there's PA for you.


3. Stoney makes "alternative" comment

4. JJ counters with an even more pretentious one

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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

1. Thread begins in General Discussions
2. Libertarians f**k it up

Yep, there's PA for you.


3. Stoney makes "alternative" comment

4. JJ counters with an even more pretentious one

Yep, there's PA for you Big smile

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Well, that just means that we all had a real need to discuss Michele Bachmann and the fear that the thought of her being president puts into our hearts and minds.



Oh I won't disagree with that but doesn't everyone agree? LOL
Liberals hate her, libertarians seem to hate her...no conservatives exist on this site so who knows heh

Speaking as a liberal, I do not hate her.  I just think she has no business holding the office she does and particularly not anything higher.  I do find her babble amusing.

Here have some of this:



Oh dear so very much wrong with that.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/US_poverty_rate_timeline.gif


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/US_poverty_rate_timeline.gif


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