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Dellinger
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 22:50 |
dennismoore wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Yaaaehhh Rick Wakeman!!!Thanks to him I was into prog before I got really into prog. The culprits:Journey & King Arthur (edit...)I got the LPs through Columbia Record House club. Gatefold covers and LP size booklets!!! |
Dear Slartibartfast,
Your taste in music is exceptional, now if you will please resize your avatar to more of a vertical rectangle to show off
more of that great tuxedo you are wearing....  The way you have it cropped as a square dosen't do the original justice. 
Just out of curiosity:
What do you think of No Earthly Connection?
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Even though that last question was not directed at me, here I go. I was actually a bit dissapointed with "No Earthly Connection". I already knew "The Prisoner" before (which I like a lot), and some live bits, but when I got the album, I found it sort of patchy. There were lots of great musical ideas, but I feel they were not fully developed nor properly organized throughout the "epic" centerpiece of the album. I liked much better the "shortened" version on the live album "Out of the Blue"... that one has all the best bits from the epic, and I may say better organized (even though I would have prefered if that live version had included "The Realization" at the end, instead of "The Prisoner"). I'm also looking forward to getting the live BBC recordings from Rick, which include concerts from Earthly Connection era, and I'm hoping it will include better organized versions from those songs.
Oh, and my version of "No Earthly Connection" came coupled with "Cost of Living", which was, well, listenable. Not on par with his best work, but from time to time it may be enjoyable.
Edited by Dellinger - March 16 2012 at 22:52
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 22:24 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Tha man himself at a very rainy Cropredy Festival 2 years ago:
Played a stunning 90 minute set & despite the bulldog-chewing-a-wasp expression on the lady in the foreground, he went down a storm (appropriate for the weekend's weather that year), especially when he encored with Starship Trooper.
Most recently saw him on the duet tour with Jon Anderson last year; plenty of banter between the two, some great music (plus some reallllly banal ballads...), overall a great evening.
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I'm afraid I have missed many concerts I would have liked to see, many of which because I discovered the bands a bit (or not so bit) too late. But at least I'm grateful enough that I was able to go to Wakeman's performance of 6 Wives at Hampton Court, with orchestra and all (and that's the CD version I have of that concert, for they recorded it and sold it after the show... with great sound quality I may add). It was particularly great for me that I was able to attend to that concert, considering that I live in Mexico, and was able to schedule some holidays I had planned to Europe on the date of the concert so I could attend
I really love that concert, by the way. It may be the best concert experience I have attended along with Waters' "The Wall".
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 22:18 |
Great thread! Few give Rick the credit for being the first electronic keyboardist to stack up lots of keyboards in the studio & onstage, back in the days when most prog & rock keyboardists seemed to be stuck with only Hammond organ with a Mini-Moog plopped on top!
When I first saw Rick on the CTTE tour, I couldn't believe how he could fluidly play two sets of keys, one in front & one behind! (only later did I realize that this was classical English church pipe-organ technique).
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 21:57 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
richardh wrote:
I think I appreciate him more as a personality than a musician. He went through a distinctly weird phase around about 1980 when his personal problems (booze) seemed to overtake him. I remember him saying he was bankrupt but couldn't understand why ( I guess the 7 Rollers he purchased might have had something to do with it). What I really like about Rick is that he's a proper bloke. Enjoys his currys and the ermm aforementioned booze. Likes to moan about the government and stuff. He is also a commited Christian which even makes him a bit enigmatic.
Over the years I've collected various CD's and DVD's (you virtually can't avoid bumping into them there are so many) and seen him live (solo, with Yes and also the stand up routine). Great fun really.
The albums I like the most are 6 Wives , Criminal Record and King Arthur. All of those rank alongside the best keyboard based prog albums ever made. I have also given positive reviews to the Retro albums whihc have been unfairly overlooked/dismissed by many fans. OK they have Mr Holt 'singing' on them but there is much to enjoy depsite that. I also love the recent Six Wives DVD.
Overall I feel that Rick could have achieved a lot more than he has. Too many medicore releases would be a kind way of putting it. Those few gems make it for it though. |
I don't know. I think Rick achieved enough as a keyboardist in his lifetime. He has his own classic solos. How far can he really get? Give the man a break  (my actual smile is more genuine than that one) . |
Those three are also my favourite Wakeman albums... perhaps I could throw in Journey and Out There too. I also liked the Retro albums quiet a bit, though not as good as the other albums mentioned, I think Wakeman proved he still has the prog flame burning brightly, and there are some wonderful prog songs in both albums, specially "Just another Day" and "The Temple of Life" (along with "Cathedral in the Sky", from Out There) are among my favourite prog songs from the last decade, as good as anything from the 70's. Oh, and "The Temple of Life" features Jemma Wakeman on lead vocals, his doughter, who did a very fine job at singing here. All in all, perhaps if Wakeman had made only one "Retro" album, with the best songs from both, he might have achieved another 5 star masterpiece.
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 21:49 |
brainstormer wrote:
I had "6 Wives" and "Criminal Record" as a teen and loved them...it took me a while to warm to his other stuff, but I like it now. I guess when you develop a more classical direction than rock, like I have overthe years, you sometimes appreciate the cleaner more classically-based prog, and his stuff is rightthere for that kind of music. The lyrics and singing are also usually very good. |
I also like Criminal Record a lot. I find it very similar to 6 wives, specially the first 3 songs... plus they are almost some Yes songs (with Squire and White performing on them). Judas Iscariot is also an awsome piece of music, with the Church organ thing, and the choirs... really amazing (though perhaps a tiny bit overlong for it's own good). The Breathalizer is the one song I don't like at all on this album, and it's the main reason I don't consider it at the same level as 6 wives. I was lucky enough to get this album (as a matter of fact, a store at my city was able to find it for me), though weirdly enough, it was recorded with "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" in the same CD (as a duo album), which I already had... however, I still think it would have made more sense if it had been paired with 6 wives instead of Journey.
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 21:43 |
My very favourite albums from him are 6 Wives and Arthur, and for me they are some of the very best prog albums. Arthur may just as well be the album guilty of getting me into prog. I first heard it because a friend from High School lent me a cassette copy of it, she said it was just their at her house (from her parents, I guess). I copied it, and was rather intrigued by it... of course I had now idea what it was, nor who Rick Wakeman was, nor what prog was, and it was all rather weird and old fashioned, and had all this ridiculous "humorous" bits or whatever, but still I was intrigued, and came back to it some times. Of course, later I discovered Wakeman wasn't the singer, but the keyboard player, and he was considered among the best keyboard player in rock (and prog), and he was famous for being in the band "Yes"... well then I thought Yes was a mediocre little known band, perhaps just a one hit wonder with "Owner of a Lonely Heart"... but whatever. Still, now Arthur is among my favourite albums, and I no longer can hearr that "old fashioned" thing that bother me, though I still can't get into the "Chaplin-like" part on the middle of Merlin... but the rest of the album is sublime, and the title song is among my favourite prog songs. Six Wives is also a perfect album for me... a survivor poll for this album would be some kind of Hell for me... just no way I could choose any song below (or above) any other, they are all great.
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 17:17 |
By the way Shock A Con also puts in an appearance on the recent Return To Forever, sorry Chaka, you are no Flora or fauna...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 16:04 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I put in an order for a used copy of that at half.com. Many days passed before it arrived and I was about to report it. It came from somewhere in Russia. Had some pretty cool stamps on it and was wrapped in old typing paper with Cryllic typing on it. I think it was a pirate copy. Anyway, for all of that it was really disappointing musically.
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Aw, we are sorry  .
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 15:59 |
I put in an order for a used copy of that at half.com. Many days passed before it arrived and I was about to report it. It came from somewhere in Russia. Had some pretty cool stamps on it and was wrapped in old typing paper with Cryllic typing on it. I think it was a pirate copy. Anyway, for all of that it was really disappointing musically.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 15:12 |
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And to think, we gave the world a language to be forgotten and abused  |
I prefer to think that we Yanks have "fine-tuned" the King's English a bit. 
And no, nothing we American's have done has come close to the complete trashing of English
that your own "Cockney" subculture has done!
At least we Americans got rid of all those "Ye and Thou" silly words. 
Oh, about Rick:
I don't think 1984 is that bad. If you drop the songs with vocals, and you splice together all the instrumentals from 1984,
you have around 18 minutes of pure Wakeman classical & Orchestral magic! 
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 14:15 |
dennismoore wrote:
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Criminal Record remains to this day one of my favourite albums.
When he is good, he is excellent, although, by his own admission, some of his stuff was to pay off the bank and ex-wives and total dross. |
Hola Chico de Miko, 
Criminal Record to me, is priceless. 
On a serious note: Laz is an example as why I as an American genuinley am happy that we have Brits here in this forum,
that is to teach me words I have never heard before, such as:
"dross" I had to google that...
dross - British - coal of little value.
Exactly, some of Wakeman's records, like "I'm so straight I'm a weirdo" from Rock N' Roll Prophet are pure dross. I actually bought that garbage LP record when it came out and 30 years later I still can not believe he would publish such mierda.(Spanish, kiddies...)  |
And to think, we gave the world a language to be forgotten and abused 
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 14:14 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
lazland wrote:
Criminal Record remains to this day one of my favourite albums.
When he is good, he is excellent, although, by his own admission, some of his stuff was to pay off the bank and ex-wives and total dross. |
1984? 
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Indeed! 
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 13:54 |
lazland wrote:
Criminal Record remains to this day one of my favourite albums.
When he is good, he is excellent, although, by his own admission, some of his stuff was to pay off the bank and ex-wives and total dross. |
1984?
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 13:45 |
lazland wrote:
Criminal Record remains to this day one of my favourite albums.
When he is good, he is excellent, although, by his own admission, some of his stuff was to pay off the bank and ex-wives and total dross. |
Hola Chico de Miko, 
Criminal Record to me, is priceless. 
On a serious note: Laz is an example as why I as an American genuinley am happy that we have Brits here in this forum,
that is to teach me words I have never heard before, such as:
"dross" I had to google that...
dross - British - coal of little value.
Exactly, some of Wakeman's records, like "I'm so straight I'm a weirdo" from Rock N' Roll Prophet are pure dross. I actually bought that garbage LP record when it came out and 30 years later I still can not believe he would publish such mierda.(Spanish, kiddies...) 
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 13:29 |
Criminal Record remains to this day one of my favourite albums.
When he is good, he is excellent, although, by his own admission, some of his stuff was to pay off the bank and ex-wives and total dross.
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 13:12 |
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Regarding the avatar, it is taken from our wedding cake topper that I concocted:
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Yes, I know we chatted about your avatar in a different thread.  This forum allows tall pictures, you should be able to recrop your picture to show the entire icon of you in your tux. That is what I am sayin...
Re Wakeman: I love No Earthly Connection and consider it required Wakeman, but I know No Earthly Connection is hit or miss with other Wakeman fans. 
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 10:50 |
I've never been a Yes-Fan, but this is surely not due to Rick Wakeman - it's got more to do with Jon Anderson !!! Having said this, I'm highly treasuring Rick a very fine musician because of his contributions to other projects: "Morning has broken" f.e., where he and Cat Stevens made the perfect duo on piano, or the ( rather unexpected cause very simplistic ) performances Rick added to "Electric Warrior" ( T. Rex ). This may be strange for a lover of his Yes-output, but I had to say it: Rick is fabulous ! I'd like to have him play on my songs, too  !
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 10:17 |
Rick is my second favourite keyboardist behind Mr.Anthony Banks. My favourite Wakeman moment is the Eclipse section of And You And I. I am just awestruck on how they could have composed that piece of music. Surely the most epic, cathartic and beautiful chord progressions and melodies that I've ever heard
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 09:56 |
That's something I'd really like to get my hands on. I've never heard it. I've have White Rock and Rhapsodies on LP. I go Criminal Record on CD (had LP) as soon as I could. Regarding the avatar, it is taken from our wedding cake topper that I concocted:
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Posted: March 16 2012 at 09:25 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Yaaaehhh Rick Wakeman!!!
Thanks to him I was into prog before I got really into prog. The culprits:
Journey & King Arthur (edit...)
I got the LPs through Columbia Record House club. Gatefold covers and LP size booklets!!!
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Dear Slartibartfast,
Your taste in music is exceptional, now if you will please resize your avatar to more of a vertical rectangle to show off
more of that great tuxedo you are wearing....  The way you have it cropped as a square dosen't do the original justice. 
Just out of curiosity:
What do you think of No Earthly Connection?
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