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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 14:31
On the Gonzo Blog this fine spring afternoon, a repost of a review of the fine new album by Yes stalwarts Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman.
http://gonzo-multimedia.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/andersonwakeman-repost-living-tree-in.html
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 11:29
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I still haven't made a connection with that album.  Hey why do I get the feeling my identity has been stolen? LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 11:28
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I still haven't made a connection with that album.  Hey why do I get the feeling my identity has been stolen? LOL
 
Uh, wait until you get the call from your accountant & credit card company.Wink
 
Haven't connected with "Return..."  Why didn't you like it?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 11:11
I still haven't made a connection with that album.  Hey why do I get the feeling my identity has been stolen? LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 10:46
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Played King Arthur yesterday. Great synth solos and lots of goosebump moments.Not sure about some of the drumming though.Wink
Journey is one that never could warm to for some reason but I havn't heard it for a long time.

Gary Pickford-Hopkins from the band Wild Turkey was a rather odd choice for vocalist!  He was fantastic in WT, but I thought he weakened Journey.  
 
 
WTF Chuck???
 
First, nice chatting with you again.Big smile
 
Second:  The drums on King Arthur are one of that record's strongest assets.  Tongue (IMHO)
 
Thrid: "Journey" is a true masterpiece!  What is it?  Does the female chorale put you off?
 
Fourth: Gary Pickford-Hopkins delicate voice was a perfect compliment to Ashley Holt's strong & gruffy voice.
I always thought that pair were perfect.  I thought No Earthly Connection missed that balance.
 
Boy do you and me have issues to settle!Wink


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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 10:39
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I can't give the King total credit for getting me into prog, but it was, uh, instrumental.LOL

The vocals didn't put me off at all.  Anyone else find the Return Journey as disappointing as I did? 
 
Count me in.
 
I find "Return" unlistenable mostly due to the lifeless, too loud, mechanical, overly processed drumming.  Straight 4/4 drumming with the snare always on the beat and mixed up too loud ruins music for me.  I did really enjoy The Dance of 1000 Lights though.  I am not a fan of Trevor Rabin as he overproduces and commercializes songs.  I think Rick made a fatal error picking Trevor.  I think the magic of Journey & Henry VIII & Arthur was due to the collarobarative effort of all instruments. Those records had great blanace among bass, guitar, vocals & drums.  The perfect foundation to showcase
all of Rick's keyboard wizardry.
 
Someone said he didn't like the drumming in King Arthur.  I LOVE the drumming in King Arthur.  I love all the in between the beat tom tom fills and progressive beats that were NOT straight 4/4 mixed way too loud like some pop rock song.
The drumming in King Arthur & Journey is what was lacking from "Return" as well as Trevor's overly-sanitised & produced songs.  Just my $.02.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 07:06
I can't give the King total credit for getting me into prog, but it was, uh, instrumental.LOL

The vocals didn't put me off at all.  Anyone else find the Return Journey as disappointing as I did? 


Edited by Slartibartfast - March 19 2012 at 07:16
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 00:29
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Played King Arthur yesterday. Great synth solos and lots of goosebump moments.Not sure about some of the drumming though.Wink
Journey is one that never could warm to for some reason but I havn't heard it for a long time.

Gary Pickford-Hopkins from the band Wild Turkey was a rather odd choice for vocalist!  He was fantastic in WT, but I thought he weakened Journey.  

Been listening to TFTO remaster quite a bit lately, Rick did some remarkable things on that, considering how hostile he was to the whole effort!  

If he had fully signed onto Tales, oh my.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2012 at 04:05
Played King Arthur yesterday. Great synth solos and lots of goosebump moments.Not sure about some of the drumming though.Wink
Journey is one that never could warm to for some reason but I havn't heard it for a long time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 14:38
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

My very favourite albums from him are 6 Wives and Arthur, and for me they are some of the very best prog albums. Arthur may just as well be the album guilty of getting me into prog. I first heard it because a friend from High School.
Unbelievable, my friend. Smile    The same exact thing happened to me, but some years back.King Arthur got me into Prog.  I had a music appreciation class in High School, 1st year.  The teacher playeda bunch of rock from that period and most of Wakeman's King Arthur.  I was fascinated from that moment on,and the rest was history.I do think that Arthur & Journey are masterpieces and will be exciting people young & old for as long as we have a civilized society.I am looking forward to being 80 years old and inviting neighborhood kids over and blasting King Arthuron my stereo for them!Big smile



I do like Journey very much too, but I think Arthur is better. There are some very good moments on Journey, but I feel it's a bit patchy, and some ideas were repeated (some passages appear almos exactly the same twice), there's too much of a narrator in the middle of the songs... and well, the two, or four, big songs could have been divided more succesfully into shorter songs... but then, I guess Wakeman was going for a "single musical piece" experience, and didn't bother so much on the way it was divided.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 12:55
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

My very favourite albums from him are 6 Wives and Arthur, and for me they are some of the very best prog albums. Arthur may just as well be the album guilty of getting me into prog. I first heard it because a friend from High School.


Unbelievable, my friend. Smile    The same exact thing happened to me, but some years back.

King Arthur got me into Prog.  I had a music appreciation class in High School, 1st year.  The teacher played
a bunch of rock from that period and most of Wakeman's King Arthur.  I was fascinated from that moment on,
and the rest was history.

I do think that Arthur & Journey are masterpieces and will be exciting people young & old for as long as we have a civilized society.

I am looking forward to being 80 years old and inviting neighborhood kids over and blasting King Arthur
on my stereo for them!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 11:52
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A little unfair as I was only lamenting that he hadn't done more with his wonderful God given talent. I think he has been derailed with ex wife issues and booze. I also gave positive reviews of both Retro albums so I think I have have given the man more of a break than manyWink
What I do respect about Rick and also Steve Hackett a few others is that he didn't just rely on Yes(or Genesis in Steve's case) as some sort of pension plan and struck out on his own and was succesfull at it. Just that hundred odd albums later only a small handfull are actually that good of the ones I've heard and judging by the comments so far on this thread once you get past Six Wives, Journey, White Rock, Criminal Record and Arthur there isn't a lot else to get excited about.

No offense, but if I were you, I would try not to use words like 'fair' and 'unfair' because, after all, Rick is a human being who is in charge of his own life and music and does not have to feel indebted to his fanbase.
 
Ouch
I am not offended just now extremely annoyed at you and your condascending attitude . As far as Rick goes he can do what he likes and makes a hundred more albums and I can choose not to buy them.
Just exactly what is your point?

I do not know how you got the impression of my condescending attitude, but if so, then I sincerely apologize. You are right, you can choose what album to buy or not to buy, but I just don't like the idea of zapping Rick on this. I'm just very new to this kind of topic and has only developed a perspective. Everyone makes mistakes at some point or another.


Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 17 2012 at 11:55
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 10:39
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

 
Overall I feel that Rick could have achieved a lot more than he has. Too many medicore releases would be a kind way of putting it. Those few gems make it for it though.


I agree.
My favorite Rick Wakeman albums are: Journey To The Centre Of The Earth and Criminal Record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 10:26
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A little unfair as I was only lamenting that he hadn't done more with his wonderful God given talent. I think he has been derailed with ex wife issues and booze. I also gave positive reviews of both Retro albums so I think I have have given the man more of a break than manyWink
What I do respect about Rick and also Steve Hackett a few others is that he didn't just rely on Yes(or Genesis in Steve's case) as some sort of pension plan and struck out on his own and was succesfull at it. Just that hundred odd albums later only a small handfull are actually that good of the ones I've heard and judging by the comments so far on this thread once you get past Six Wives, Journey, White Rock, Criminal Record and Arthur there isn't a lot else to get excited about.

No offense, but if I were you, I would try not to use words like 'fair' and 'unfair' because, after all, Rick is a human being who is in charge of his own life and music and does not have to feel indebted to his fanbase.
 
Ouch
I am not offended just now extremely annoyed at you and your condascending attitude . As far as Rick goes he can do what he likes and makes a hundred more albums and I can choose not to buy them.
Just exactly what is your point?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 04:32
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A little unfair as I was only lamenting that he hadn't done more with his wonderful God given talent. I think he has been derailed with ex wife issues and booze. I also gave positive reviews of both Retro albums so I think I have have given the man more of a break than manyWink
What I do respect about Rick and also Steve Hackett a few others is that he didn't just rely on Yes(or Genesis in Steve's case) as some sort of pension plan and struck out on his own and was succesfull at it. Just that hundred odd albums later only a small handfull are actually that good of the ones I've heard and judging by the comments so far on this thread once you get past Six Wives, Journey, White Rock, Criminal Record and Arthur there isn't a lot else to get excited about.

No offense, but if I were you, I would try not to use words like 'fair' and 'unfair' because, after all, Rick is a human being who is in charge of his own life and music and does not have to feel indebted to his fanbase.

If you are a musician making a living off of music then you do have a certain obligation to your fanbase to make good music.  But musicians have their hits and misses.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  No guts, no glory.  Rick is one of those prolific guys who is all over the place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 03:39
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A little unfair as I was only lamenting that he hadn't done more with his wonderful God given talent. I think he has been derailed with ex wife issues and booze. I also gave positive reviews of both Retro albums so I think I have have given the man more of a break than manyWink
What I do respect about Rick and also Steve Hackett a few others is that he didn't just rely on Yes(or Genesis in Steve's case) as some sort of pension plan and struck out on his own and was succesfull at it. Just that hundred odd albums later only a small handfull are actually that good of the ones I've heard and judging by the comments so far on this thread once you get past Six Wives, Journey, White Rock, Criminal Record and Arthur there isn't a lot else to get excited about.

No offense, but if I were you, I would try not to use words like 'fair' and 'unfair' because, after all, Rick is a human being who is in charge of his own life and music and does not have to feel indebted to his fanbase.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 03:17
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I think I appreciate him more as a personality than a musician. He went through a distinctly weird phase around about 1980 when his personal problems (booze) seemed to overtake him. I remember him saying he was bankrupt but couldn't understand why ( I guess the 7 Rollers he purchased might have had something to do with it). What I really like about Rick is that he's a proper bloke. Enjoys his currys and the ermm aforementioned booze. Likes to moan about the government and stuff. He is also a commited Christian which even makes him a bit enigmatic.
 
Over the years I've collected various CD's and DVD's (you virtually can't avoid bumping into them there are so many) and seen him live (solo, with Yes and also the stand up routine). Great fun really.
 
The albums I like the most are 6 Wives , Criminal Record and King Arthur. All of those rank alongside the best keyboard based prog albums ever made. I have also given positive reviews to the Retro albums whihc have been unfairly overlooked/dismissed by many fans. OK they have Mr Holt 'singing' on them but there is much to enjoy depsite that. I also love the recent Six Wives DVD.
 
Overall I feel that Rick could have achieved a lot more than he has. Too many medicore releases would be a kind way of putting it. Those few gems make it for it though.

I don't know. I think Rick achieved enough as a keyboardist in his lifetime. He has his own classic solos. How far can he really get? Give the man a break Big smile (my actual smile is more genuine than that one) .
A little unfair as I was only lamenting that he hadn't done more with his wonderful God given talent. I think he has been derailed with ex wife issues and booze. I also gave positive reviews of both Retro albums so I think I have have given the man more of a break than manyWink
What I do respect about Rick and also Steve Hackett a few others is that he didn't just rely on Yes(or Genesis in Steve's case) as some sort of pension plan and struck out on his own and was succesfull at it. Just that hundred odd albums later only a small handfull are actually that good of the ones I've heard and judging by the comments so far on this thread once you get past Six Wives, Journey, White Rock, Criminal Record and Arthur there isn't a lot else to get excited about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2012 at 23:36
I found this quote on the YouTube Arthur post:

"Like Wagner, this is a perfect marriage of sound and subject matter. If your subject matter is sex and drugs and teenage rebellion, you probably want some edgy, punky sound. You do not, however, take on a subject like Arthur without expressing grandeur in the music. This is why some people find the music of Wakeman or countless other progressive rock acts overblown."

manlyduckling 11 months ago

Thought that was pretty apt.  That old "greasy spoon" aesthetic used to try to make proggers feel

guilty for not sounding like Lou Reed and singing songs about "real life," which always had to be

about something depressing.  But I think this Manly Duckling really speaks truth to the old debate

about the value of prog.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2012 at 22:54
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


And to think, we gave the world a language to be forgotten and abusedLOL




 

I prefer to think that we Yanks have "fine-tuned" the King's English a bit.Wink

And no, nothing we American's have done has come close to the complete trashing of English

that your own "Cockney" subculture has done!

 

At least we Americans got rid of all those "Ye and Thou" silly words. Big smile

 

Oh, about Rick:

 

I don't think 1984 is that bad. If you drop the songs with vocals, and you splice together all the instrumentals from 1984,

you have around 18 minutes of pure Wakeman classical & Orchestral magic!  Tongue   Smile


I didn't think 1984 was so bad an album either. Even some of the vocal songs are pretty decent... but still his 70's touch was gone (for the moment).
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