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Gonzo Daily ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: March 19 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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On the Gonzo Blog this fine spring afternoon, a repost of a review of the fine new album by Yes stalwarts Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman.
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TheGazzardian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
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Something crazy has happened
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dennismoore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 19 2011 Location: America Status: Offline Points: 877 |
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Uh, wait until you get the call from your accountant & credit card company.
![]() Haven't connected with "Return..." Why didn't you like it?
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I still haven't made a connection with that album. Hey why do I get the feeling my identity has been stolen?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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dennismoore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 19 2011 Location: America Status: Offline Points: 877 |
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WTF Chuck???
First, nice chatting with you again.
![]() Second: The drums on King Arthur are one of that record's strongest assets.
![]() Thrid: "Journey" is a true masterpiece! What is it? Does the female chorale put you off?
Fourth: Gary Pickford-Hopkins delicate voice was a perfect compliment to Ashley Holt's strong & gruffy voice.
I always thought that pair were perfect. I thought No Earthly Connection missed that balance.
Boy do you and me have issues to settle! ![]() Edited by dennismoore - March 19 2012 at 10:51 |
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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dennismoore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 19 2011 Location: America Status: Offline Points: 877 |
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Count me in.
I find "Return" unlistenable mostly due to the lifeless, too loud, mechanical, overly processed drumming. Straight 4/4 drumming with the snare always on the beat and mixed up too loud ruins music for me. I did really enjoy The Dance of 1000 Lights though. I am not a fan of Trevor Rabin as he overproduces and commercializes songs. I think Rick made a fatal error picking Trevor. I think the magic of Journey & Henry VIII & Arthur was due to the collarobarative effort of all instruments. Those records had great blanace among bass, guitar, vocals & drums. The perfect foundation to showcase
all of Rick's keyboard wizardry.
Someone said he didn't like the drumming in King Arthur. I LOVE the drumming in King Arthur. I love all the in between the beat tom tom fills and progressive beats that were NOT straight 4/4 mixed way too loud like some pop rock song.
The drumming in King Arthur & Journey is what was lacking from "Return" as well as Trevor's overly-sanitised & produced songs. Just my $.02.
![]() P.S. Hey Slarti, how do you like my new avatar? I got tired of waiting for you to add a full length version in yours. ![]() Edited by dennismoore - March 19 2012 at 11:24 |
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I can't give the King total credit for getting me into prog, but it was, uh, instrumental.
![]() The vocals didn't put me off at all. Anyone else find the Return Journey as disappointing as I did? Edited by Slartibartfast - March 19 2012 at 07:16 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7514 |
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Gary Pickford-Hopkins from the band Wild Turkey was a rather odd choice for vocalist! He was fantastic in WT, but I thought he weakened Journey. Been listening to TFTO remaster quite a bit lately, Rick did some remarkable things on that, considering how hostile he was to the whole effort! If he had fully signed onto Tales, oh my.....
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brainstormer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 20 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Status: Offline Points: 887 |
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Check out the CD or DVD "Out There."
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30223 |
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Played King Arthur yesterday. Great synth solos and lots of goosebump moments.Not sure about some of the drumming though.
![]() Journey is one that never could warm to for some reason but I havn't heard it for a long time.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12856 |
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I do like Journey very much too, but I think Arthur is better. There are some very good moments on Journey, but I feel it's a bit patchy, and some ideas were repeated (some passages appear almos exactly the same twice), there's too much of a narrator in the middle of the songs... and well, the two, or four, big songs could have been divided more succesfully into shorter songs... but then, I guess Wakeman was going for a "single musical piece" experience, and didn't bother so much on the way it was divided. |
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dennismoore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 19 2011 Location: America Status: Offline Points: 877 |
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Unbelievable, my friend. ![]() King Arthur got me into Prog. I had a music appreciation class in High School, 1st year. The teacher played a bunch of rock from that period and most of Wakeman's King Arthur. I was fascinated from that moment on, and the rest was history. I do think that Arthur & Journey are masterpieces and will be exciting people young & old for as long as we have a civilized society. I am looking forward to being 80 years old and inviting neighborhood kids over and blasting King Arthur on my stereo for them! ![]() |
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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I do not know how you got the impression of my condescending attitude, but if so, then I sincerely apologize. You are right, you can choose what album to buy or not to buy, but I just don't like the idea of zapping Rick on this. I'm just very new to this kind of topic and has only developed a perspective. Everyone makes mistakes at some point or another.
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Moogtron III ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
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I agree. My favorite Rick Wakeman albums are: Journey To The Centre Of The Earth and Criminal Record. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30223 |
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![]() I am not offended just now extremely annoyed at you and your condascending attitude . As far as Rick goes he can do what he likes and makes a hundred more albums and I can choose not to buy them.
Just exactly what is your point?
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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If you are a musician making a living off of music then you do have a certain obligation to your fanbase to make good music. But musicians have their hits and misses. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. No guts, no glory. Rick is one of those prolific guys who is all over the place. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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No offense, but if I were you, I would try not to use words like 'fair' and 'unfair' because, after all, Rick is a human being who is in charge of his own life and music and does not have to feel indebted to his fanbase.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30223 |
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brainstormer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 20 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Status: Offline Points: 887 |
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I found this quote on the YouTube Arthur post:
"Like Wagner, this is a perfect marriage of sound and subject matter. If your subject matter is sex and drugs and teenage rebellion, you probably want some edgy, punky sound. You do not, however, take on a subject like Arthur without expressing grandeur in the music. This is why some people find the music of Wakeman or countless other progressive rock acts overblown."
manlyduckling
11 months ago Thought that was pretty apt. That old "greasy spoon" aesthetic used to try to make proggers feel guilty for not sounding like Lou Reed and singing songs about "real life," which always had to be about something depressing. But I think this Manly Duckling really speaks truth to the old debate about the value of prog. |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12856 |
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I didn't think 1984 was so bad an album either. Even some of the vocal songs are pretty decent... but still his 70's touch was gone (for the moment). |
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