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Posted: July 11 2012 at 03:44

A bit of avant jazz rock - http://archive.org/details/ca360_sado

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7085

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Posted: July 11 2012 at 05:21

Charles Tyler is great. I'm not an absolute Canterbury fan. I love the 2 first albums of Soft Machine and Henry Cow. Don't really appreciate Gong, Caravan, Camel ...etc. I prefer the solo albums of Allen, Wyatt, Greaves or Frith ...

Love that summer vidéo of Soft Machine in 1968 at the French TV :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFDVTbLxBHA

This later one (1970) with additional musicians is nice too :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZP9FY_4PNA&feature=related

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Posted: July 11 2012 at 06:21

That's really good Bosh, and I hadn't seen the '68 Soft Machine clip before Hellogoodbye. Nice one. I think it's very telling and so sad that Robert Wyatt still says that being kicked out of Soft Machine was even worse event for him than his accident. Anyway, he's utterly unique and truly inspirational.

This is an excellent collaborative album from a couple of years ago:

I also think that he has an astonishing ability to beautifully personalise in his interpretation of other people's songs. Interestingly, he says that he'd love to be able to write great pop songs, and tries in his own way. He once said 'It doesn't get any better than that' when describing Buddy Holly's 'Raining In My Heart'. It reminds me of Miles Davis' comment re there only being two types of music : good and bad. That says it all really.

Edited by Moorglader - July 11 2012 at 06:25

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Posted: July 11 2012 at 07:57

Yeah ! Good or bad, with an infinite number of personalities to choose one or the other.

Oh ! BTW, Wyatt will never write standards. That guy is too unusual.

Here on the second Anja Garbarek's album. Hard to sing in his bath

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRWgIuvL6Y

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Posted: July 11 2012 at 08:21

That's the beautiful thing, he loves the classic standards and in his own work he weaves a spell of quirky and utterly distinct beauty that does tip the hat to the traditional at times. He takes the map and goes somewhere completely off road with it.

I'm seriously digging that Anja Garbarek track by the way.

He takes an asinine and utterly bland 60s pop song and somehow manges to invest with heartfelt emotion, gorgeous harmonies and a great groove:

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Posted: July 11 2012 at 08:42

I agree completly. But Bob is still working hard to make his own songs immortal. This recent version of Left on man is in my opinion superior to the original.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_4phKV8Nk

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 02:47

That is a wonderful version and I agree that it's even better than the original. He is a superb songwriter so you'll have to forgive me for indulging in one more of his magical cover versions:

ps: Apparently I'm a 'Forum Groupie'. Does that mean I have to go around taking plaster casts of people's record collections ?

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 04:08

That means, you're new. I loved this song by Lennon and the same by wyatt.

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 04:15

I discovered this album a year ago after reading about Graham Bond in the excellent 'Electric Eden: Unearthing Britain's Visionary Music'. As a lover of folk in all it's various guises, that book does stray into Prog territory and also got me into Third Ear Band, as well as some obscure and wonderful composers. I'm fascinated by the way 'progressive' can be found in so many genres.

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 06:20

Nice tribal stuff ! You're right : progressive is a path to so many styles. I don't know why, but in France the term progressive has a bad connotation. It is related to long boring pieces and musical pyrotechnics. It's wrong, of course. But they only swear here by pop. Yet, can we resume Joni Mitchell to a folk singer, Kate Bush to a pop singer or Bjork to an electro singer ? These artists belong to a progressive movement. It's not only rock'n'roll and i like it

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 06:48

Exactly! Very good examples. Also, classic era Fairport Convention's experiments in folk rock were surely progressive ie. fusing indian raga rythmic patterns with electric folk ie. 'A Sailor's Life', and more recently Jim Moray. Same with classical . What is Stravinsky's 'Rite Of Spring' if not Progressive, so much so that it caused a riot.

Apologies for posting these two non prog jazz links on this thread but they illustrate the nature of Progressive as a pan genre artistic movement:

Edited by Moorglader - July 12 2012 at 06:50

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 09:49

Back to Prog Jazz ! ARIA PALEA : Danze D'ansie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yYtVIIHFDg

I suggested this one on the italian thread a few days ago. Not essential but a very good one. Almost impossible to find in CD. I don't know if you are in the 70's RPI, but if like me you fall on the charm of this music and this language, you won't have to ask anymore how to spend your money the next two years.

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 10:46

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 11:53

You do realise that, as I don't have any myself, I'm going to have to sell somebody else's children in order to fund all your recommendations. Nothing or Nowhere too horrible mind. I'm not that depraved that I would subject anyone to a combination of Tescos and Wolverhampton.

Anyway! A great Prog Blues/Jazz hybrid album of sheer excellence :

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 11:55

I'm checking it out HG, as well as Gilgamesh, MFP. Cheers for the heads up.

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 13:16

I am seriously addicted to this Japanese fusion act called Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden. I just reviewed their Structure et Force album, and it is imo a true modern masterpiece. Here's a track from it:

Also French band Syrinx are another modern fusion band that steals my breath away. They are a sister band to NIL and Thork, which also infuse a bit fusion into the mix - in fact all three acts are well worth investigating, if you're looking for something a bit out of the ordinary. Here are some links:

Syrinx

http://www.myspace.com/levingtiemecercle

NIL:

Thork:

Ok, both NIL and Thork aren't strictly jazzy per se, but they are both damn fine bands Big smile

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 15:09

David, Structure of force reminds me the music I've heard last summer in the record stores of Tokyo. Fantastic.

Something completly different. I just saw the Movie HOLY MOTORS by LEOS CARAX. I'm sure you gonna love it.

Music is the last way to spend money.

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Posted: July 12 2012 at 17:19

About Syrinx, David. It's also the title of a short piece of flute of Claude Debussy . For me it's there that modern music starts :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ZE6VN_ZG0

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Posted: July 13 2012 at 02:25

Thanks for the excellent links fellas re. DCPRG, Nil, Thork and Marcel Moyse. There's just so much that I haven't heard!

Here's some more great vibes to start the day:

Edited by Moorglader - July 13 2012 at 02:25

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Posted: July 13 2012 at 03:58

Great stuff all this, my friend ! I love the softer side of indian or Pakistani music too: Do you know The Tafo Brothers ?

Avalaible only on vynil only but you can find the two best titles on the CD DIM compilation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22cBoBes5p8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbNZBLg9-o

The Sound Of Wonder compilation is great too. Fantastic and funny cosmic sounds, far from the traditional Bollywood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0csnpu5St7g&feature=related

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Bosh66 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 23 2009 Location: Bolton, Lancs Status: Offline Points: 528	Posted: July 11 2012 at 03:44
	A bit of avant jazz rock - http://archive.org/details/ca360_sado http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7085

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 11 2012 at 05:21
	Charles Tyler is great. I'm not an absolute Canterbury fan. I love the 2 first albums of Soft Machine and Henry Cow. Don't really appreciate Gong, Caravan, Camel ...etc. I prefer the solo albums of Allen, Wyatt, Greaves or Frith ... Love that summer vidéo of Soft Machine in 1968 at the French TV : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFDVTbLxBHA This later one (1970) with additional musicians is nice too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZP9FY_4PNA&feature=related

Moorglader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 02 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: July 11 2012 at 06:21
	That's really good Bosh, and I hadn't seen the '68 Soft Machine clip before Hellogoodbye. Nice one. I think it's very telling and so sad that Robert Wyatt still says that being kicked out of Soft Machine was even worse event for him than his accident. Anyway, he's utterly unique and truly inspirational. This is an excellent collaborative album from a couple of years ago: I also think that he has an astonishing ability to beautifully personalise in his interpretation of other people's songs. Interestingly, he says that he'd love to be able to write great pop songs, and tries in his own way. He once said 'It doesn't get any better than that' when describing Buddy Holly's 'Raining In My Heart'. It reminds me of Miles Davis' comment re there only being two types of music : good and bad. That says it all really. Edited by Moorglader - July 11 2012 at 06:25
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 11 2012 at 07:57
	Yeah ! Good or bad, with an infinite number of personalities to choose one or the other. Oh ! BTW, Wyatt will never write standards. That guy is too unusual. Here on the second Anja Garbarek's album. Hard to sing in his bath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRWgIuvL6Y

Moorglader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 02 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: July 11 2012 at 08:21
	That's the beautiful thing, he loves the classic standards and in his own work he weaves a spell of quirky and utterly distinct beauty that does tip the hat to the traditional at times. He takes the map and goes somewhere completely off road with it. I'm seriously digging that Anja Garbarek track by the way. He takes an asinine and utterly bland 60s pop song and somehow manges to invest with heartfelt emotion, gorgeous harmonies and a great groove:
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 11 2012 at 08:42
	I agree completly. But Bob is still working hard to make his own songs immortal. This recent version of Left on man is in my opinion superior to the original. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_4phKV8Nk

Moorglader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 02 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: July 12 2012 at 02:47
	That is a wonderful version and I agree that it's even better than the original. He is a superb songwriter so you'll have to forgive me for indulging in one more of his magical cover versions: ps: Apparently I'm a 'Forum Groupie'. Does that mean I have to go around taking plaster casts of people's record collections ?
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 12 2012 at 04:08
	That means, you're new. I loved this song by Lennon and the same by wyatt.

Moorglader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 02 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: July 12 2012 at 04:15
	I discovered this album a year ago after reading about Graham Bond in the excellent 'Electric Eden: Unearthing Britain's Visionary Music'. As a lover of folk in all it's various guises, that book does stray into Prog territory and also got me into Third Ear Band, as well as some obscure and wonderful composers. I'm fascinated by the way 'progressive' can be found in so many genres.
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 12 2012 at 06:20
	Nice tribal stuff ! You're right : progressive is a path to so many styles. I don't know why, but in France the term progressive has a bad connotation. It is related to long boring pieces and musical pyrotechnics. It's wrong, of course. But they only swear here by pop. Yet, can we resume Joni Mitchell to a folk singer, Kate Bush to a pop singer or Bjork to an electro singer ? These artists belong to a progressive movement. It's not only rock'n'roll and i like it

Moorglader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 02 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: July 12 2012 at 06:48
	Exactly! Very good examples. Also, classic era Fairport Convention's experiments in folk rock were surely progressive ie. fusing indian raga rythmic patterns with electric folk ie. 'A Sailor's Life', and more recently Jim Moray. Same with classical . What is Stravinsky's 'Rite Of Spring' if not Progressive, so much so that it caused a riot. Apologies for posting these two non prog jazz links on this thread but they illustrate the nature of Progressive as a pan genre artistic movement: Edited by Moorglader - July 12 2012 at 06:50
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 12 2012 at 09:49
	Back to Prog Jazz ! ARIA PALEA : Danze D'ansie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yYtVIIHFDg I suggested this one on the italian thread a few days ago. Not essential but a very good one. Almost impossible to find in CD. I don't know if you are in the 70's RPI, but if like me you fall on the charm of this music and this language, you won't have to ask anymore how to spend your money the next two years.

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	You do realise that, as I don't have any myself, I'm going to have to sell somebody else's children in order to fund all your recommendations. Nothing or Nowhere too horrible mind. I'm not that depraved that I would subject anyone to a combination of Tescos and Wolverhampton. Anyway! A great Prog Blues/Jazz hybrid album of sheer excellence :
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

Moorglader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 02 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: July 12 2012 at 11:55
	I'm checking it out HG, as well as Gilgamesh, MFP. Cheers for the heads up.
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

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	I am seriously addicted to this Japanese fusion act called Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden. I just reviewed their Structure et Force album, and it is imo a true modern masterpiece. Here's a track from it: Also French band Syrinx are another modern fusion band that steals my breath away. They are a sister band to NIL and Thork, which also infuse a bit fusion into the mix - in fact all three acts are well worth investigating, if you're looking for something a bit out of the ordinary. Here are some links: Syrinx http://www.myspace.com/levingtiemecercle NIL: Thork: Ok, both NIL and Thork aren't strictly jazzy per se, but they are both damn fine bands
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hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 12 2012 at 15:09
	David, Structure of force reminds me the music I've heard last summer in the record stores of Tokyo. Fantastic. Something completly different. I just saw the Movie HOLY MOTORS by LEOS CARAX. I'm sure you gonna love it. Music is the last way to spend money.

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 12 2012 at 17:19
	About Syrinx, David. It's also the title of a short piece of flute of Claude Debussy . For me it's there that modern music starts : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ZE6VN_ZG0

Moorglader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 02 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: July 13 2012 at 02:25
	Thanks for the excellent links fellas re. DCPRG, Nil, Thork and Marcel Moyse. There's just so much that I haven't heard! Here's some more great vibes to start the day: Edited by Moorglader - July 13 2012 at 02:25
	'You are a divine being. You matter, you count. You come from realms of unimiganible power and light, and you will return to those realms' Terence Mckenna

hellogoodbye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251	Posted: July 13 2012 at 03:58
	Great stuff all this, my friend ! I love the softer side of indian or Pakistani music too: Do you know The Tafo Brothers ? Avalaible only on vynil only but you can find the two best titles on the CD DIM compilation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22cBoBes5p8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbNZBLg9-o The Sound Of Wonder compilation is great too. Fantastic and funny cosmic sounds, far from the traditional Bollywood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0csnpu5St7g&feature=related