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Posted: December 16 2012 at 03:28
No
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Posted: December 15 2012 at 13:40
... I'll answer those for you since I study this sh*t. In The Court is, Lizard is, and Red is not. ...
Like every artist, there are good things and bad things ... everyone nowadays accepts Picasso, as a master and an artist, but every professor out there would say that the blue and the rose periods are crap work that most kids can do when they are learning to paint! ... Likewise, we can say that this or that of Robert's work is really good, and some other parts of it ... rather forgettable.
All in all, when you look at the historty of his work, he is not over-rated, despite some quotes and comments that make his thinking sound boring at times, but then, he does what he does and it seems that it is just different than what he thinks.
My question, is, if you think that someone is over-rated or not, do you also accept that your question is over-rated and out of line, and even silly?
From our perspective in this board, "over rated" would be a band that is getting accolades and has only a bunch of songs to show for their work, or what a professor would consider ... sub-par material ... to show for its work ... thus, I tend to look at a person as an artist, rather than anything else.
In the case of Robert's, it would be grossly sad and unfair, to not give him the credit he deserves, when a lot of the things he did, were done because of how he felt, however difficult it might be to hide his ideas and opinions, his guitar ALWAYS spoke more than his words or voice! And to me, that is where the artistry lies ... and a place in his mind that he does not want anyone else to be in other than Eno or a few folks that he trusts and works with. A place, that many of us does not like, or accept very much ... because it doesn't sell, or is not listed in our board as a "hit" or a top dog for bs comments!
If the Top 100 was an artist list, instead of something else, Robert would be there in the top ten, even separated from King Crimson.
You wish, you had a life that rich, and could create that much music and work ... and let it all go to waste. Sure you would!
in the end, the scales have a way of coming around ... someone like him will be remembered for a long time ... a lot more than our comments and idiocies!
Edited by moshkito - December 17 2012 at 10:42
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 00:45
He is an excellent guitar player and overall a great musician. You can see how he was evolving and progressing through the years and always trying to come up with something new, musically and as a guitar player.
Overrated? Outside the prog circle? Definitely underrated or better to say unknown. Inside the prog circle, he is where he should be. Rated just fine.
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 00:26
No, at least, not in my opinion. His work on "Fracture" and the the first side of the Brian Eno collab Evening Star are enough to put him in my list of great guitarists.
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
I'm not the biggest Fripp fan, but he does stand out to me as a guitarist. He has a very unique style and he is always trying something new. On top of that, have you ever listened to Fracture? That song makes my wrist hurt just listening to it.
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Posted: December 13 2012 at 23:30
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
renaudbb wrote:
Are "Red", "In the Court" or "Lizard" overrated ?
In addition, Fripp's influence on modern music is far beyond the progressive circle.
This question is a nonsense for me.
I'll answer those for you since I study this sh*t. In The Court is, Lizard is, and Red is not.How about that
That's what they taught you? That's settles it then, why didn't you said so in the first place? Thanks everyone for participating, the ones who answered Yes are correct!! Sorry he's overrated and those albums too.
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Posted: December 13 2012 at 18:29
It depends on what you mean by "-rated." Is he as good as the prog community says he is? I don't think he is. Is he appreciated by as many people as he should be appreciated by? No, absolutely not.
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Posted: December 13 2012 at 14:29
^ What if we focus just on the prog realm, is he really "overrated" (or whatever) within its bounds? But, I guess, you've already answered that question.
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Posted: December 13 2012 at 14:04
Oh yeah, all the press Fripp gets, all the TV appearances, all the number one hits.........that dude is SO overrated. Wait.......who are we talking about?
Obviously, if anything, Fripp is highly underrated considering his impact and influence on our tiny little prog world. However, lest we forget, he had a bit wider influence on the new wave scene in NYC back in the 80's. Maybe not obvious since Fripp doesn't seem much interested in trumpeting his influence and skill around. As a musician there is no doubt of his skill and innovation where the guitar is concerned.
Having said all that, "overrated", "underrated" are purely subjective terms and are basically meaningless since you either like his music or you don't. In either case there is no argument someone can make to change your mind. Besides that, he has never been praised around here as much as Yes or Genesis, let alone Porcupine Tree or Dream Theater (as just a couple examples).
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