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Dayvenkirq 
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 Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:35 |
^ I really don't. Please focus on one thing at a time. It's a bad idea to "stream" multiple topics at the same time.
I think we've just lost each other.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:32 |
 Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^ This is how you extend an intelligent argumentative conversation?
By turning one of my beliefs against me? How can you tell that I've
never heard the band
you fail to see that those songs are indeed repetitive and nothing special
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1) What makes you think that I fail to see repetition within their songs?2) What is wrong with songs being repetitive? And why are we even discussing repetition within songs? 3) Whether something is special or not is really subjective. I don't know why I have keep reminding that to some people. |
I'll answer those for you 1) What makes you think that I fail to see repetition within their songs?You haven't shown or displayed that they are 2) What is wrong with songs being repetitive? It becomes really irritating like some horrible hip-hop artist (Tyga for example) And why are we even discussing repetition within songs? Because I brought it up
3) Whether something is special or not is really subjective.: true that's what my opinion is I don't know why I have keep reminding that to some people you understand better 
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:27 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^ This is how you extend an intelligent argumentative conversation?
By turning one of my beliefs against me? How can you tell that I've
never heard the band
you fail to see that those songs are indeed repetitive and nothing special
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1) What makes you think that I fail to see repetition within their songs? 2) What is wrong with songs being repetitive? And why are we even discussing repetition within songs? 3) Whether something is special or not is really subjective. I don't know why I have keep reminding that to some people.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 24 2012 at 00:27
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:26 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that
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Are you talking about Robert Fripp?
Please, he's anything except a a nice human, the guy is a jerk, arrogant, offensive and aggressive with the fans who pay his way of life.
He's good that's undeniable, I don't believe he's as good as he considers himself, but it's only my opinion..
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 24 2012 at 00:27
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:23 |
^ This is how you extend an intelligent argumentative conversation?
By turning one of my beliefs against me? How can you tell that I've
never heard the band
you fail to see that those songs are indeed repetitive and nothing special
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:21 |
^ This is how you extend an intelligent argumentative conversation? By turning one of my beliefs against me? How can you tell that I've never heard the band?
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that. |
No one around here (that I know or remember of) has ever claimed, explicitly or implicitly, that they know everything about music. What you are doing here is assuming, filling in the blanks by yourself, which is a dangerous practice when it comes down to argumentation.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:17 |
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Sagichim
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:16 |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:13 |
Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 24 2012 at 00:13
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 23:36 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Yes or No? |
No.
After all, he saved progressive rock genre with Discipline the album. |
he didn't save prog rock with Discipline,
remember the band was on hiatus from 75-80 I 'd argue that Rush saved
prog rock when others were either going extinct or "selling out" with 2112-Moving Pictures then they came back with Discipline, all you guys are acting as if Fripp is god or something, I know I'm gonna hear about it from someone |
You are gonna hear that a lot around here. And Fripp is God. Ask Jesus.
Still waiting for more silly laughs. |
ok fanboy
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 23:18 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
I study this s$&t too, and yet I don't think they are. |
Crimson has made a living on raping and repeating things over and over ie(In the Court of The Crimson King  , Lizard , The Talking Drum , Red )
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 23:06 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Yes or No? |
No.
After all, he saved progressive rock genre with Discipline the album. |
he didn't save prog rock with Discipline,
remember the band was on hiatus from 75-80 I 'd argue that Rush saved
prog rock when others were either going extinct or "selling out" with 2112-Moving Pictures then they came back with Discipline, all you guys are acting as if Fripp is god or something, I know I'm gonna hear about it from someone |
You are gonna hear that a lot around here. And Fripp is God. Ask Jesus.
Still waiting for more silly laughs. |
Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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moshkito
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 13:33 |
paganinio wrote:
Nothing is overrated. If people like it, people will rate it highly. Vice versa. |
Sure ... and if you are a radio station and only play ten songs, then you gonna say that people don't like the other stuff! ... they never heard it! .... LOOK ... it was because of this that progressive music came alive ... with long cuts and everything else, that you could "not" play on radio!
Please see that ... the comment is the reason why we were "there" ... automatically assuming that people were too stupid to know any music out there, and give them "what they want" when the fact is ... the company/owner giving you what he/she wants instead.
Remember the Soc 101 ... in America 3% of the people control 97% of the money and any other controlling interests in anything you can think of! And music/record companies are that 3% ... and they will not advise, suggest, accept anything that does NOT give them the money ... to the point of excluding artists and not deliver them. This happened with WEA 30 years ago!
This was the argument we had in the 70's with the early FM radio ... and the answer was? ... THEY WERE WRONG ... if you play it, there are people that will like it, and buy it.
End of story ... this is the greates malady in radio ever ... your comments is the mantra for 99.9% of the folks running radio stations to make sure they can get the money! .. Same for the XM/Sirius sham!
Edited by moshkito - December 23 2012 at 13:38
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Sagichim
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 03:22 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
he didn't save prog rock with Discipline,
remember the band was on hiatus from 75-80 I 'd argue that Rush saved
prog rock when others were either going extinct or "selling out" with 2112-Moving Pictures then they came back with Discipline, all you guys are acting as if Fripp is god or something, I know I'm gonna hear about it from someone |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
He has a point about Rush. They were holding the fort down during the late 70's (even though they weren't actually considered prog at the time).
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Do you really think Rush was the most progressive band during the 80's??
Dig a little deeper there were dozens of bands playing new, exciting
and experimental music, from all over the world.
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prog4evr
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 01:06 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
He has a point about Rush. They were holding the fort down during the late 70's (even though they weren't actually considered prog at the time).
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Rush was not the only 'prog' band keeping prog alive in the later 1970s (after Genesis, Yes, ELP, etc., seemed to have abandoned it in that time period). UK (self-titled & 'Danger Money') did its share (opening for Jethro Tull on the 'Heavy Horses' tour). I also think Camel kept the 'prog' flame alive at that time, at least until Peter Bardens left...
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paganinio
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 00:09 |
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Nothing is overrated. If people like it, people will rate it highly. Vice versa.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 22 2012 at 23:20 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
he didn't save prog rock with Discipline,
remember the band was on hiatus from 75-80 I 'd argue that Rush saved
prog rock when others were either going extinct or "selling out" with 2112-Moving Pictures then they came back with Discipline, all you guys are acting as if Fripp is god or something, I know I'm gonna hear about it from someone
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The BAND may have been on a hiatus from 75-80 but who says the members were idle during that time? Fripp got busy with Eno and then contributed to Talking Heads and released an interesting solo album. In the meantime, Wetton was free to be a part of UK which was a last ditch effort to maintain a high profile for symph prog. Bruford too began to make his own albums. Fripp's approach is more evolved than rock's typically adamant insistence on the original lineup being together at all times. Members leave and then return to work with King Crimson or Crimson related lineups years later (like Mel Collins on Scarcity of Miracles) because the music is bigger than individuals. So, in short, no, Fripp & Co did not ditch prog during that phase. Not many actually did, barring maybe ELP and Genesis. And even there, Hackett was free to pursue a fruitful solo career. The biggest of all, Floyd, were actually very strong during that period and Tull came out with Songs of the Wood and Heavy Horses. There was a lot of prog from 1975-80...if you care to look beyond the obvious.
Edited by rogerthat - December 23 2012 at 08:57
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: December 22 2012 at 21:24 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Yes or No? |
No.
After all, he saved progressive rock genre with Discipline the album. |
he didn't save prog rock with Discipline,
remember the band was on hiatus from 75-80 I 'd argue that Rush saved
prog rock when others were either going extinct or "selling out" with 2112-Moving Pictures then they came back with Discipline, all you guys are acting as if Fripp is god or something, I know I'm gonna hear about it from someone |
You are gonna hear that a lot around here. And Fripp is God. Ask Jesus.
Still waiting for more silly laughs. |
He has a point about Rush. They were holding the fort down during the late 70's (even though they weren't actually considered prog at the time).
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: December 22 2012 at 21:00 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Yes or No? |
No.
After all, he saved progressive rock genre with Discipline the album. |
he didn't save prog rock with Discipline,
remember the band was on hiatus from 75-80 I 'd argue that Rush saved
prog rock when others were either going extinct or "selling out" with 2112-Moving Pictures then they came back with Discipline, all you guys are acting as if Fripp is god or something, I know I'm gonna hear about it from someone |
You are gonna hear that a lot around here. And Fripp is God. Ask Jesus.
Still waiting for more silly laughs.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 22 2012 at 21:02
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: December 22 2012 at 19:49 |
Evolver wrote:
Fripp is not over-rated.
Prog metal, for the most part, is. |
Yeah, I'm sure it is overrated 
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Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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