Is Robert Fripp Overrated?

Svetonio wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote:  Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that Are you talking about Robert Fripp? Please, he's anything except  a a nice human, the guy is a jerk, arrogant, offensive and agressive with the fans who pay his way of life. He's good that's undeniable, I don't believe he's as good as he considers himself, but it's only my opinion..  Iván Ivan, I remmember when you said that you are a big The Who fan. Mr Pete Townshend was / is nothing better with The Who fans. The fact that the both revolutionary English guitarists and composers were (especialy Mr Townshend) jerk , arrogant and agressive with the fans, (what is a collateral damage of their implacability, imo)  - is just a sad detail of their lifes, but it have just nothing in common with the great music they made because you can't hear in the their music nothing of their traditionaly bad relations with the (hardcore) fan base in their music.

I'm going to take a risk on disagreeing with you on that last part. I think being "jerky" has a lot to do with an attitude towards music, though I'm afraid my explanation is going to be a bit too complex and over your head about that.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 24 2012 at 01:52

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ Are you saying that they were "too repetitive", that they followed the verse-chorus-verse-chorus form? What's your angle?

its quite complex actually what im talking about because the crims has hardly ever been like that ,following the verse-chorus-verse pattern, there's just so much going on, but for that particular song yes and my ears and brain just wont allow too much repetition and in the case of Lizard I like the Jon Anderson "Prince Rupert Awakes" part very much ITS PERFECTLY EXECUTED but "The Battle of Glass Tears" doesn't do anything for me its saxes on top of saxes and more saxes and it all sounds too repetitve and in the case of "The Talking Drum" it just deosn't do anything for me it has violins on top of annoying and repetitive passages and for Red the guitar repeats itself over and over

Even if you don't like Robert Fripp, you have to respect his importance in the prog scene--even today!!

If anything, underrated because he really built the foundation of prog. Even if I enjoy Genesis immensely more, KC should be ranked as the highest band on this site for their experimentalism.

70's Genesis, 70's Yes can't compare with the pure experimental sound of each individual album by KC, thanks to Fripp.

Thus, Fripp deserves all the credit he gets on this site.

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ OK, what point of yours am I missing about repetition?

repetition within a song for example the mellotrons and the "ahh's" on "The Court"

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ I do remember them copying a part from "The Court of the Crimson King" (the track, naturally) and pasting it into "The Devil's Triangle". OK, so, maybe there was a time or two when they copied themselves. So what? What does that prove?

 I think that that is a fine example at going back to an earlier recording,actually quite interesting but nothing original

I think your missing the point about repetition

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^  1) Please, stop asking me whether or not I've heard a KC album. I've spent a couple of years listening to them. Why do you think I have Fripp as my avatar? Just to show everyone that I heard the guy and I love him and the band (without actually meaning that)? Has it ever occurred to you that it would be a very pretentious thing to do on my part? Why do you think I'd do that? Why are you questioning my motives? 2) I've never heard of Tyga, and right now I don't care who that is. 3) You know that you can still download KC and Fripp's albums, right?

Cuz you like the band that's why but u fail to see that they do tend to repeat the same passages time and time again. I'm sorry if I'm getting to personally I don't want that I wanna talk Prog

Dayvenkirq wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote:   Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that Are you talking about Robert Fripp? Please, he's anything except  a a nice human, the guy is a jerk, arrogant, offensive and aggressive with the fans who pay his way of life. He's good that's undeniable, I don't believe he's as good as he considers himself, but it's only my opinion..  Iván he's soft spoken and I thought he was nice, oh now I get it, no wonder there are no Fripp/Crimson MP3s, yikes thank for clarifying. 1) What do you mean by soft spoken? 2) Again, lose the attitude. 3) What makes you think there are no Fripp/KC mp3's?  Damn it, you are doing it again. You are splitting a conversation into branches. You'll never convince anyone of your beliefs that way.

 I've looked all over the place for Crimson/Fripp mp3's can't find anything and whats with all the overpriced albums??? I'm sorry that Robert had to retire I'm truly sorry about that though, what am I doing I'm simply just replying to Ivan's post

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote:   Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that Are you talking about Robert Fripp? Please, he's anything except  a a nice human, the guy is a jerk, arrogant, offensive and aggressive with the fans who pay his way of life. He's good that's undeniable, I don't believe he's as good as he considers himself, but it's only my opinion..  Iván he's soft spoken and I thought he was nice, oh now I get it, no wonder there are no Fripp/Crimson MP3s, yikes thank for clarifying.

1) What do you mean by soft spoken?

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 24 2012 at 00:41

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ I really don't. Please focus on one thing at a time. It's a bad idea to "stream" multiple topics at the same time.  I think we've just lost each other.

i feel bad cuz I really do wanna like this band(i do a little) but I don't get the fuss behind them, I guess it was timing

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote:   Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that Are you talking about Robert Fripp? Please, he's anything except  a a nice human, the guy is a jerk, arrogant, offensive and aggressive with the fans who pay his way of life. He's good that's undeniable, I don't believe he's as good as he considers himself, but it's only my opinion..  Iván

he's soft spoken and I thought he was nice, oh now I get it, no wonder there are no Fripp/Crimson MP3s, yikes thank for clarifying