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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2013 at 18:22
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.


then he should just say that instead

Actually, he did say that he does not consider it music, he didn't claim that it isn't.   Yes, there's a difference when you frame an opinion as clearly referring to your personal tastes and preferences or as simply forcing it as a generalization on others.  You clearly haven't learnt that distinction yet.   


I could say the same thing for you but i will not

You will not because I haven't.  I haven't said any goddamn negative thing about Rush or any other of 'your' favourite bands in this thread many of which, by the way, happen to be my favourites as well.   


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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.


then he should just say that instead

Actually, he did say that he does not consider it music, he didn't claim that it isn't.   Yes, there's a difference when you frame an opinion as clearly referring to your personal tastes and preferences or as simply forcing it as a generalization on others.  You clearly haven't learnt that distinction yet.   


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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

but if everyone only posted "i love rush so much!!!" and no one ever gave any other perspectives or opinions then there would be no discussion and it would just be a circle jerk of rush fanboys


can't we say the same for other bands???? you just contradicted yourself Sumdeus
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The question isn't whether or not Rush is a decent band. The question is where do they fall as far as prog rock goes, which is an interesting question considering they've only done a handful of bonafide conceptual prog albums. It's almost like the others have street cred because of what came before, or in some cases what came after. If they only released Power Windows would anyone consider them a prog band? Probably not. Eclectic is probably not a strong enough term to describe the manner in which Rush plows forward with no regard for precedent.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2013 at 17:04
Originally posted by ProgressiveMike ProgressiveMike wrote:

I have an idea, if you don't like Rush then go post somewhere else. No one wants to read negativity. We're all prog fans and that in itself should bind us instead of stabbing at eachothers preference within the prog sphere. if you want to make some sly ass remark about Rush like "THEY SOUND LIKE THE CHIPMUNKS JAJAJAJA!" or "I DON"T CONSIDER RUSH MUSIC!" then go post something on another topic please and thank you. it doesn't sound cool by the way to trash on one of the greatest bands to live


Yeah it was a stupid thing for him to say. Trolling really .
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

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I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.
 
When and if I get the chance I'd definitely pay and go to see a Rush concert, no doubt coz it's awesome live, however I am not a fan, they remind me of the Chipmunks, maybe because of Geddy's vocals (especially the earlier albums) and Neil Peart yes jajaja I know he is a brilliant drummer right there at the top, I have read their biography inc. Peart's tho'. Smile


Yeah, if it's his early vocals you don't like, you would surely prefer their live sound.  His voice sounds very full and powerful, as does the whole band; just compare the studio version of Natural Science to the one on Different Stages.
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Points: 831 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2013 at 16:57
but if everyone only posted "i love rush so much!!!" and no one ever gave any other perspectives or opinions then there would be no discussion and it would just be a circle jerk of rush fanboys
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I have an idea, if you don't like Rush then go post somewhere else. No one wants to read negativity. We're all prog fans and that in itself should bind us instead of stabbing at eachothers preference within the prog sphere. if you want to make some sly ass remark about Rush like "THEY SOUND LIKE THE CHIPMUNKS JAJAJAJA!" or "I DON"T CONSIDER RUSH MUSIC!" then go post something on another topic please and thank you. it doesn't sound cool by the way to trash on one of the greatest bands to live
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.


then he should just say that instead

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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.


then he should just say that instead

Actually, he did say that he does not consider it music, he didn't claim that it isn't.   Yes, there's a difference when you frame an opinion as clearly referring to your personal tastes and preferences or as simply forcing it as a generalization on others.  You clearly haven't learnt that distinction yet.   
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.
 
When and if I get the chance I'd definitely pay and go to see a Rush concert, no doubt coz it's awesome live, however I am not a fan, they remind me of the Chipmunks, maybe because of Geddy's vocals (especially the earlier albums) and Neil Peart yes jajaja I know he is a brilliant drummer right there at the top, I have read their biography inc. Peart's tho'. Smile


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Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.


then he should just say that instead
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Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.
 
When and if I get the chance I'd definitely pay and go to see a Rush concert, no doubt coz it's awesome live, however I am not a fan, they remind me of the Chipmunks, maybe because of Geddy's vocals (especially the earlier albums) and Neil Peart yes jajaja I know he is a brilliant drummer right there at the top, I have read their biography inc. Peart's tho'. Smile


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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.
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Points: 3150 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:08
Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

In all honesty, I barely consider it music.  

There.  I said it.  


In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music

There. I said it
Why must you bring this everywhere?! He just expressed his opinion regarding the band we're discussing about, and you MUST bring KC into this. Ok, we all know that you don't like them, it's cool.


I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:20
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

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Because the term Heavy Prog makes it seem as if they are always heavy and that's not always the case.


It doesn't, it's heavy PROG, not heavy metal.   Although I'd question the very idea of eclectic prog because I consider eclecticism an essential feature of prog.  If all songs sound the same, it's not prog anymore.
No one ever claimed that the invention of the category names was that thought-through - it seemed like a good idea at the time when splitting up Art Rock that the category with Rush in would be called Heavy Prog, the category with Crimson and VdGG would be called Eclectic and the category with Mike Oldfield and the Moody Blues would be called Crossover. They could have called them Tom, Dick and Harry but I don't think we'd have got away with that (well Tom Prog and Harry Prog would have been okay perhaps). Personally I think the better name for Eclectic Prog is just Prog (and Crossover is only just Prog ... Wink).
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Points: 1509 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:13
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

In all honesty, I barely consider it music.  

There.  I said it.  


In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music

There. I said it
Why must you bring this everywhere?! He just expressed his opinion regarding the band we're discussing about, and you MUST bring KC into this. Ok, we all know that you don't like them, it's cool.
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 10:29
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Because the term Heavy Prog makes it seem as if they are always heavy and that's not always the case.


It doesn't, it's heavy PROG, not heavy metal.   Although I'd question the very idea of eclectic prog because I consider eclecticism an essential feature of prog.  If all songs sound the same, it's not prog anymore.
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock

Bowie played glam in 1972 — 1974. In every other year of his 40 years long musical activity he was as far for glam as it was possible.
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock

Genres are not exclusive, you know. An artist can fit into more than one genre at once.
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