Is Robert Fripp Overrated?

moshkito wrote: DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Kanye also sampled Can, another band with a huge influence that isn't that recognized.  ...   He listens to a lot more stuff than he lets on, and I am not sure that he is just playing the fame card right now, and later might start to bring out some serious music, instead of just some sampled stuff here and there and somewhere else.

He's also sampled Mike Oldfield, Aphex Twin, Steve Miller Band, Black Sabbath, Radiohead, Steely Dan, Daft Punk, Manfred Mann’s Earth Band, the Doors, Bon Iver, Tears for Fears, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Otis Redding, Gil-Scott Heron, Milton Nascimento, and so much more... [see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West_production_discography ]

Edited by jude111 - January 13 2013 at 13:57

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Kanye also sampled Can, another band with a huge influence that isn't that recognized.

oh god really? i already died a little when i heard his horrendous sampling of 21st Century Schizoid man, but now you say he has sampled Can too? I don't even want to hear what the hell that would sound like.

on a related note, here's a hip-hop tune sampling KC that I can really dig

My Dreaming Hill wrote: Everywhere else on the internet? He's doesn't even register. I've yet to see a "Greatest Guitar Player Ever" poll even mention him. The Living Conscious Stupidity that is the internet would rather gush over hacks like Buckethead than a real guitarist like Robert Fripp, Jimi Hendrix, David Gilmour, Jimmy Page, or Dave Murray. I could be exaggerating through elitist rage, though.

I think you are exaggerating. I have yet to see a "greatest guitarist" list on the internet that does not have Henrdix, Gilmour and Page somewhere near the top. I mean most guitarist lists anywhere tend to have Hendrix somewhere within the top 3

Blacksword wrote: renaudbb wrote: Are "Red", "In the Court" or "Lizard" overrated ?  In addition, Fripp's influence on modern music is far beyond the progressive circle.  This question is a nonsense for me. Indeed, in fact I would say he is arguably underated. I suspect many young folk listen to music that he has greatly influenced without even knowing who he was. I suspect this may have also been the case in the later half of the 70's. His name pops up all over the place; in relation to all manner of artists including Daryl Hall, David Bowie, The Orb, Future Sound of London..That pr!ck Kanye West even sampled KC.

Read his post carefully.  In the middle of all his rambling, he has nailed exactly why overrated is a much abused word.  

moshkito wrote: It's not about the "person" and their work anymore ... it's about one person's view that some other folks work is considered better and has a lot more respect from many folks, than his favorite band ... sorry! discussion over!

Amen.  It is hardly ever about the influence or importance of an artist's work to the music....it's simply, "Too many annoying people like this band, so I find the band annoying."

Slartibartfast wrote: I may have had enough of me but I've had enough of you?  I stand by my assertion that Robert Fripp is properly rated.

Sumdeus wrote: moshkito wrote: All in all, I like ITCOTCK, Red/Starless and then some parts of Lark's Tongues in Aspic. All in all, the rest of KC, is rather forget'able to me, and not interesting, though I can listen to it and enjoy it ... but it is not the "grand spectacle" that some of us prefer, instead of another rock song!   are you actually saying that things like Lizard and Islands sound like "another rock song" to you instead of a "grand spectacle"? I'm curious to know what kind of typical rock songs you listen to and what standards you have for something to be a "grand spectacle"

 

I may have had enough of me but I've had enough of you? 

I stand by my assertion that Robert Fripp is properly rated.


Edited by Slartibartfast - December 30 2012 at 08:09

rogerthat wrote: So what exactly is the point of making assertions you are not interested in defending, may I ask?  You didn't just say that Rush are your favourite band.  You have tried to claim that commercial success and artistic success are NOT different things.  That is an objective statement and not a subjective one so you have to defend it and thereby convince people about your stand.

You personally didn't infer that, did you?

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ OK, let me put it this way: isn't there a difference between "commercially successful" and "musically successful"? The two aren't always the same thing, right? you already heard what I have to say but in the case of Rush in my opinion they are definitely "musically successful" But what do you have to say to the FACT that they are not the most commercially successful prog rock band? Definitely one of the most successful, no arguments there.  If you are going to say Rush is better than some other band just because the album sales 'confirm' their quality, I don't buy that argument.

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ OK, let me put it this way: isn't there a difference between "commercially successful" and "musically successful"? The two aren't always the same thing, right?