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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:38
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Semantic juggling, I did not miss the premise. I never said eating vegetables is a "noble cause". Eating vegetables is just what it says it is and that is all. Since you like to argue about words perhaps you can tell me the meaning of "turn her nose up at". My dictionary says....to refuse to accept something because you feel that it is not good enough for you: so horse is not good enough for your wife, even the concept on a menu is repulsive to her. My wife does not eat animals at all, even the thought of eating one is repulsive to her. I do not think either is wrong, thats just who they are. To say vegans are smug and bash them for a lifestyle choice is narrow minded.

And the topic was thoughts on vegita.........the title was not Is vegit a noble cause so maybe it was you who should go back and reread the title of the topic
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The OPENING POST of any thread tells you what the thread is about - the title does not. Read the effin' OP first, then post - that's how it's done, that's how this and every other forum works. Read the OP, read a few replies and add your own comments - NOT read the title and guess what everyone is talking about. The OPENING POST of this thread states:
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I think it's a noble cause, but I don't practice it nor do I plan on doing so. I think eating meat is a natural thing for humans to do. However I do think the way we make meat these days is terrible. We use way too much water, land, and food on it, plus there's growth hormones. I also think animals should be raised with care and killed as painlessly as possible.
But again, I think it's a noble cause and anyone who practices it earns my respect.

So what do you think about it?
  
Seriously. No one accused you of saying that  'eating vegetables is a "noble cause".' Not me, not anyone and I certainly never accused any vegetarians of being smug, nor did I ever bash them for anything.
 
 
"turn her up" is a British idiom in common usage for anyone who refuses to eat anything for any reason - sure it used to mean it wasn't good enough for them, but that is no longer the case - idiomatic usage changes with the generations, not with your dictionary. It was meant as an amusing little story nothing more but it appears my ability to tell a humourous tale has failed me. Perhaps I'll have better luck next time but I doubt it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:24
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.
 
a) You don't know what the other 71% is.
 
b) What are 'pigs on horseback' ?  (I know pigs in blankets but...)
 
 
Prunes wrapped in bacon (or figs or dates depending on which recipe you read, I suppose any dried fruit will suffice).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:57
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.
 
a) You don't know what the other 71% is.
 
b) What are 'pigs on horseback' ?  (I know pigs in blankets but...)
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:53

Practiced veggie diet for a while because I thought it was healthier.  Couldn't believe how much better I felt when I started eating meat again.  Beans and tofu/etc were apparently not doing it for my body.  Or my taste buds. 

I really enjoy meat and will continue to eat it, albeit in moderate quantities.  I eat very little fast food.  Mostly I eat poultry and fish, occasionally beef, rarely pork. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:39
Semantic juggling, I did not miss the premise. I never said eating vegetables is a "noble cause". Eating vegetables is just what it says it is and that is all. Since you like to argue about words perhaps you can tell me the meaning of "turn her nose up at". My dictionary says....to refuse to accept something because you feel that it is not good enough for you: so horse is not good enough for your wife, even the concept on a menu is repulsive to her. My wife does not eat animals at all, even the thought of eating one is repulsive to her. I do not think either is wrong, thats just who they are. To say vegans are smug and bash them for a lifestyle choice is narrow minded.

And the topic was thoughts on vegita.........the title was not Is vegit a noble cause so maybe it was you who should go back and reread the title of the topic


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:20
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Let me get this straight. Veggie diet is not noble. Eating beef but not horse is, even though a horse eats about the same diet as a cow. I don't know where the nobility factor came  into the discussion. Eating any kind of food and the concept of nobility seems foolish.  I would consider any meat i did not personally raise to be mystery meat. This includes so called organic meat.as pointed out before people are resilient and can eat just about anything. Lewis & Clark started out eating buffalo and then switched to horses when that ran out and when they ran out of horse they ate dog.I suspect if they had not met the Nez Perce indians they would have eventually eaten each other.
You seem to have missread this entire thread and all the posts in it.
 
Nobility has nothing to do with "noble cause" the nobility is in the cause not in the act. At no time has anyone made any claim that eating a particular food group has any nobility or that adopting a particular life-style diet bestows nobility. The "Noble Cause" mentioned in the opening post (in fact it is the opening phrase in the opening sentence of the opening post in this thread) is the idea that following a course of action (in this case choosing to abstain from eating meat) will result in some positive result in some possibly (but not necessarily) related field.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:12
Let me get this straight. Veggie diet is not noble. Eating beef but not horse is, even though a horse eats about the same diet as a cow. I don't know where the nobility factor came  into the discussion. Eating any kind of food and the concept of nobility seems foolish.  I would consider any meat i did not personally raise to be mystery meat. This includes so called organic meat.as pointed out before people are resilient and can eat just about anything. Lewis & Clark started out eating buffalo and then switched to horses when that ran out and when they ran out of horse they ate dog.I suspect if they had not met the Nez Perce indians they would have eventually eaten each other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:54
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.

Nobility over semantics, impressive.
Far to clever for me - please explain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:53
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.

Nobility over semantics, impressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:43
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.

50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.


The principles of growing meat meat from stem cells in a lab, is established. That is actual meat, not meat substitute like soya. Mass producing it is the challenge, as no doubt marketing it to people like me will be too.
Because we can does not mean that we will - there are lots of things we can do in a lab that never find commercial application. I just do not think that doom and gloom dystopia isn't as imminent or as likely as many believe it to be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:36
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.

50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.


The principles of growing meat meat from stem cells in a lab, is established. That is actual meat, not meat substitute like soya. Mass producing it is the challenge, as no doubt marketing it to people like me will be too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:48
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I'm negative to veganism, or any other "sectarian" ideology , either religious or not




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 07:30
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.
50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:57
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

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Reading on Facebook of people throwing their burgers away. Now that is disgusting.
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Because of a comment I left my nephews wife will feed them to a cat. That's better anyway.


It is terrible. What's wrong with eating horsemeat anyway? Why is it any more aceeptable or unnacceptable than eating cow, or lamb or deer??

It is of course a cultural thing, and I suspect the biggest problem here is that Tesco were selling what were supposadly beef bufburgers, without declaring the horsemeat contents in the ingredients.
 

They couldn't, they and Iceland didn't know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:54
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Reading on Facebook of people throwing their burgers away. Now that is disgusting.
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Because of a comment I left my nephews wife will feed them to a cat. That's better anyway.


It is terrible. What's wrong with eating horsemeat anyway? Why is it any more aceeptable or unnacceptable than eating cow, or lamb or deer??

It is of course a cultural thing, and I suspect the biggest problem here is that Tesco were selling what were supposadly beef bufburgers, without declaring the horsemeat contents in the ingredients.

Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:50
The root problem is the same as for so many other issues: too many people on this planet, and too many of them concentrated on huge urban areas.

In this small Belgian village you can still go to the local butcher whom you know personally and have beers at the cafe with, when you walk your dog beyond the village houses you walk next to his cows which quietly and freely graze the abundant grass the whole day, a limited number of cows in a very large field, in spring you see the young calves grazing around and growing week by week, every few days you see him taking a couple of cows to slaughter with his tractor and you know when you buy a steak the next day that it's from the cow you saw yesterday passing on the tractor oblivious of her fate a couple of hours later.

I visit Senegal often and in the small coast villages you tell a local guy in the morning that you would like a lobster for dinner, he goes to sea with his tiny boat and a couple of hours later he is back with a smile on his face, a living lobster on his right hand and some fish for his own family dinner in his left hand.

I guess that 500 years ago when all meat and fish were obtained in similar fashions, people rarely cared or even thought about vegetarianism (let alone veganism). It's the modern mass-volume ways of providing meat and fish to the alarmingly huge population which have caused the issue to raise.

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Vegetartianism is not a noble cause, it's a life-style choice.

I guess that some vegetarians (I'm not one of them) practice it because they see it as a noble cause, meaning that their concept of 'nobility' is possibly different from ours. Probably they see it not too different from refraining from buying a real mink fur coat or things like that, and this is not meaning that they deluse themselves thinking that their choice is gonna change the world, but it's just their personal statement to raise awareness about some issues that might otherwise get ignored.

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