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timothy leary 
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 Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:33 |
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Where the thread went wrong for me(and it is mostly my own fault) is when Mr. Garten made his claim vegitarians are smug. Since my wife is a vegitarian and in no way smug, I over reacted to a degree. I am sure if i called Dean's wife insensible he would probably have something to say. I respect that. I could be misinterpreting Mr. Garten also. He once looked at my picture and called me Seasick Steve, I found out later it was meant as a compliment. I personally am not a vegitarian and sometimes smug.
Edited by timothy leary - January 16 2013 at 17:34
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Dean
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:23 |
 akamaisondufromage wrote:
So what was the point of the story again?
Did you come here for a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
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I have no idea, I thought it was a funny story without a point or any specific message.
Hard to believe, but I didn't come here for an argument, and I wasn't aware I'd started one until I was in the thick of it. What I find amusing from all this is Timothy Leary and I haven't disagreed on much here at all - in fact most of what he's said on the subject of vegetarianism and food production I had already said in earlier posts, so in broad, general terms on the subject being discussed, we actually agree.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:14 |
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Horsemeat, a worthy topic, which definitely proves vegitarianism is no "noble cause".
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:09 |
So what was the point of the story again?
Did you come here for a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
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Help me I'm falling!
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:58 |
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okay
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Dean
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:54 |
timothy leary wrote:
No, I think she was being sensible, I also will pass on horse. |
She is always sensible, I'm the insensible one. But Steak Haché œufs à Cheval isn't made with horse - it's a beef burger with an egg on top, that's the whole point of the story.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:48 |
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No, I think she was being sensible, I also will pass on horse.
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:41 |
^I said it in one sentence. But you turned your nose up at that!
Seriously though. I think you covered all angles there. 
Edited by Snow Dog - January 16 2013 at 16:44
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Dean
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:32 |
timothy leary wrote:
Many early cultures cast their language in stone. It was heavy I suppose. I would challenge you to show where the meaning of " turning one's nose up" has changed. ...................
This week’s idiom is to “turn one’s nose up at something”. It is used when we want to talk about a person who refuses something because they think it’s not good enough for them. For example:
This is a good job even though the salary is not so high. You shouldn’t turn your nose up at it.
Jenny is so superficial. She turns her nose up at any guy who’s not handsome and rich.
When I was young I used to turn my nose up at any foreign food, but I don’t do that anymore.
My apartment isn’t so nice, but it was the only place I could find to live. I couldn’t afford to turn my nose up at it.
So this expression is always used in a negative way to talk about people who are being snobby or picky about something. |
*sigh*
Yes, it is always negative but it does not always mean the person is being snobby or picky
In the literal form it means "rejection because it's not good enough" .. you know, literally not good enough - like I would turn my nose up at food that is burn to a smoldering lump of black carbon because it is not good enough to eat kind of thing - here I am being negative about the food on offer, not my snobby or picky attitude.
In the figurative form it means "show distaste or contempt for" ... and that can be snobby, but not necessarily so - a small child hasn't the concept of snobbishness but twenty years ago I would have said to my wife that our daughter (she would have been two at the time) turned her nose up at mashed banana dessert. Just as our cats will turn their noses up at tinned Kit-e-Kat no matter how hungry they are.
But to end this pointless and overly petty exchange, okay, have it your way - I used the phrase incorrectly because I didn't have your specifically correct meaning of it in my head when I wrote the 'not quite as amusing as I thought it was' story, because my wife didn't reject the beef steak burger with an egg on top because it wasn't good enough for her and she didn't reject it because it wasn't good enough to eat, she rejected it because the name in French it contained the word cheval and unlike the English (which she is) the French (which she isn't) do eat horses, they have butchers specialising in it called boucheries chevalines and she thought that it meant it was a horse burger, even though I tried to explain to her it wasn't. If you think she was being snobby or picky or distainful of the French then you don't know her very well.
Edited by Dean - January 16 2013 at 16:38
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Dean
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:02 |
timothy leary wrote:
One thing for certain about veggies and fruit, whether it be homegrown, organic or just off the grocery shelf, when I bite into that nice carrot or apple I never have that overwhelming ?? in my mind, could this possibly be, God forbid, that horrible no no, HORSEMEAT. |
It depends upon what it was grown in. 
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 15:46 |
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One thing for certain about veggies and fruit, whether it be homegrown, organic or just off the grocery shelf, when I bite into that nice carrot or apple I never have that overwhelming ?? in my mind, could this possibly be, God forbid, that horrible no no, HORSEMEAT.
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 14:47 |
Hey, I was going to go an array of dancing gorillas, but decided to just put an array of the ROFL emoticons below a single image.  It's kind of spooky, they seem to be dancing to the rhythm of what I am listening to at the moment.
Dean wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
I agree with everything you say, these dictionaries need to consult you so they can get it right. |
*sigh*
Dictionaries do not reflect the constantly changing usage of language, they rely on published verifiable sources for their definitions - how language is used adapts to the changing times, the meanings of words and phrases changes: first they are used in everyday speech, then they enter into the written word (or in these technological times, are used in some other media such as the Internet or TV) and then the defintion in the dictionary is updated to reflect this change. A dictionary is only as current as its last update.
Often an idiom is used in a sarcastic way such as when the phrase "not good enough for you" is used regardless of the worth of the item being refused, "turning ones nose up" also has a sarcastic use, especially in the UK. An idiom's or word's meaning can also change with location, and in extreme examples mean entirely the opposite, like "Bad" now means "Good" and "Lucked-out" in the USA means good luck and in the UK it means bad luck. Language is dynamic and not cast in stone.
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Double plus good.
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 16 2013 at 14:51
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 14:01 |
Dean wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day. |
50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:57 |
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Hey , it wasn't my story.
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:54 |
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^But in this case she wasn't turning her nose up at it because it wasn't good enough. It was because she didn't like the idea of eating horse.
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:52 |
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Come on, guys. A hot exchange on a 'vegetarian' thread - tell me this is right.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:48 |
Many early cultures cast their language in stone. It was heavy I suppose. I would challenge you to show where the meaning of " turning one's nose up" has changed. ...................
This week’s idiom is to “turn one’s nose up at something”. It is used when we want to talk about a person who refuses something because they think it’s not good enough for them. For example: This is a good job even though the salary is not so high. You shouldn’t turn your nose up at it. Jenny is so superficial. She turns her nose up at any guy who’s not handsome and rich. When I was young I used to turn my nose up at any foreign food, but I don’t do that anymore. My apartment isn’t so nice, but it was the only place I could find to live. I couldn’t afford to turn my nose up at it. So this expression is always used in a negative way to talk about people who are being snobby or picky about something. |
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:15 |
timothy leary wrote:
I agree with everything you say, these dictionaries need to consult you so they can get it right. |
*sigh*
Dictionaries do not reflect the constantly changing usage of language, they rely on published verifiable sources for their definitions - how language is used adapts to the changing times, the meanings of words and phrases changes: first they are used in everyday speech, then they enter into the written word (or in these technological times, are used in some other media such as the Internet or TV) and then the defintion in the dictionary is updated to reflect this change. A dictionary is only as current as its last update.
Often an idiom is used in a sarcastic way such as when the phrase "not good enough for you" is used regardless of the worth of the item being refused, "turning ones nose up" also has a sarcastic use, especially in the UK. An idiom's or word's meaning can also change with location, and in extreme examples mean entirely the opposite, like "Bad" now means "Good" and "Lucked-out" in the USA means good luck and in the UK it means bad luck. Language is dynamic and not cast in stone.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:58 |
Dean wrote:
.....but insects are more the accidental thing, (not that we really swallow spiders in our sleep, that old chestnut's been laid to rest, it could happen, but it's just not that likely),.... |
Wow, I'm glad I read this. I'd been haunted by that urban legend for years.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:48 |
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I agree with everything you say, these dictionaries need to consult you so they can get it right.
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