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Padraic
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Topic: Your thoughts on Vegitarianism Posted: February 28 2013 at 11:34 |
You'll fancy me at lunch, not to mention teaI'm easily digested naturally
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Dean
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 06:08 |
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 06:01 |
Tapfret wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Depends on the nature of the food being consumed. If it possesses intelligence or emotional capacity, I wouldn't eat it. |
So that puts politicians and professional music critics on the menu I guess.
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Also reporter and a bunch of pop singers...
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 02:04 |
^  I guess it does.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - February 28 2013 at 02:04
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 01:04 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Depends on the nature of the food being consumed. If it possesses intelligence or emotional capacity, I wouldn't eat it. |
So that puts politicians and professional music critics on the menu I guess.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 10:06 |
^ Exceptions counted on one hand over four months spells "not a vegan" to me. Also, how do you feed the necessary protein and vitamins to your body?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - February 27 2013 at 10:06
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 02:32 |
i don't post on these boards often enough, but thought i should stop by and say i'm a prog-rock vegan myself. Been eating no animal products for nearly 4 months ago and have been feeling great. I urge people who want to make the switch but consider themselves "too lazy" to try it out. your taste buds and appetite will adjust and you will feel like you can really TASTE food now. Fruits will start tasting like delicious desserts, grains will start tasting like filling meals, plus you'll feel healthier. I have sometimes made an exception when meat has been offered to me, but i can count those exceptions on one hand.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 21 2013 at 15:46 |
^ It's in the past now. Move on.
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Posted: January 21 2013 at 15:09 |
Snow Dog wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
And I will respond however I want., whenever I want, my brain tells me I can. |
Seriously, why are you on this site? Why you being such a dick? |
However, personally directed insults, denigration, etc. will not be tolerated, and will be grounds for warning and, if not stopped immediately, ejection.
I'm all for robust debate, but not when it descends into crude name-calling. Come on Snow Dog, Prog Archives is above this.....as the rules clearly state!
Edited by Green Shield Stamp - January 21 2013 at 15:11
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 17:02 |
Full disclosure: I'm a vegetarian (few years now, having previously eaten an overwhelmingly meat diet) who doesn't have the stones to go vegan, though I accept veganism is rather morally sounder. (Veganism is a challenging diet, vegetarianism's dead easy). Realistically you're not going to completely avoid animal products if you don't devote your entire life to it (probably not even if you do) but it's better to do something than to just pretend it makes no difference.
Jim Garten wrote:
True - many years ago, my mother was told by her
doctor that if she wanted to lose weight the best & most foolproof
way was to eat exactly what she ate everyday, but just less of it.
There is no correlation between vegetarianism & health;
lifestyle/moderation & health, certainly, but eating meat or
otherwise makes no difference. |
Well, studies of it suggest there is a correlation for things like incidence of ischemic heart disease, alzheimer's, cataracts and reduced blood pressure. What you eat affects your health. In the interests of balance, vegetarians are more likely to have bone problems if they don't pay attention to vitamin B-12.
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Yes, and if everybody became vegan, chicken would become extinct in a couple of years. |
Absolutely,
because all of the animals people don't eat have gone extinct...
(frankly, if you care about things going extinct, the damage various
types of overfishing are doing to marine diversity and environments is
probably the biggest thing you should worry about)
Gerinski wrote:
I guess that 500 years ago when all meat
and fish were obtained in similar fashions, people rarely cared or even
thought about vegetarianism (let alone veganism). It's the modern
mass-volume ways of providing meat and fish to the alarmingly huge
population which have caused the issue to raise.
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guess that some vegetarians (I'm not one of them) practice it because
they see it as a noble cause, meaning that their concept of 'nobility'
is possibly different from ours. Probably they see it not too different
from refraining from buying a real mink fur coat or things like that,
and this is not meaning that they deluse themselves thinking that their
choice is gonna change the world, but it's just their personal statement
to raise awareness about some issues that might otherwise get ignored. |
Vegetarianism has been around for a helluva long time (more so in South-East Asia but Pythagoreans were also vegetarian) - vegetarianism for health reasons is comparatively recent, I think. Vegetarianism for environmental reasons is very recent. For me it's basically just that I like animals and don't really want to have the poor buggers raised to die so I can eat them - I accept I could and probably should do more by going vegan... but I'm a lot happier with doing something than just giving up. It's not really a matter of it being a noble cause or thinking you can solve anything, I just know it's the right thing for me to do. Others can make their own minds up. There is a difference between eating something which directly and necessarily results from the death of an animal and something which probably involves the death of animals as a byproduct of the commercial system currently in place.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 15:46 |
Cockfight!
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 12:34 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dean wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
Exactly, and how would one go about proving which is the "worst" death. All of this talk really points back to the vegetarian not wanting to be complicit in the death of an animal, whether it be the worst death or the best. |
Then they should not consume eggs or dairy, but then they would be vegans. |
Yes, and if everybody became vegan, chicken would become extinct in a couple of years. |
Nah, they make good pets, especially the fancy ones.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 12:30 |
Dean wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
Exactly, and how would one go about proving which is the "worst" death. All of this talk really points back to the vegetarian not wanting to be complicit in the death of an animal, whether it be the worst death or the best. |
Then they should not consume eggs or dairy, but then they would be vegans. |
Yes, and if everybody became vegan, chicken would become extinct in a couple of years.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 12:10 |
CPicard wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
Exactly, and how would one go about proving which is the "worst" death. All of this talk really points back to the vegetarian not wanting to be complicit in the death of an animal, whether it be the worst death or the best. |
So, it wasn't useful to make comparisons between one or another way of killing animals is worse than another or is the worst, since it always leads to the death of said animals - and it really wasn't useful to point at one community for its rituals.
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I agree totally and that is why I responded.
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Dean
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 12:00 |
timothy leary wrote:
Exactly, and how would one go about proving which is the "worst" death. All of this talk really points back to the vegetarian not wanting to be complicit in the death of an animal, whether it be the worst death or the best. |
Then they should not consume eggs or dairy, but then they would be vegans.
Edited by Dean - January 19 2013 at 12:01
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CPicard
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 11:59 |
timothy leary wrote:
Exactly, and how would one go about proving which is the "worst" death. All of this talk really points back to the vegetarian not wanting to be complicit in the death of an animal, whether it be the worst death or the best. |
So, it wasn't useful to make comparisons between one or another way of killing animals is worse than another or is the worst, since it always leads to the death of said animals - and it really wasn't useful to point at one community for its rituals.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 11:44 |
Exactly, and how would one go about proving which is the "worst" death. All of this talk really points back to the vegetarian not wanting to be complicit in the death of an animal, whether it be the worst death or the best.
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CPicard
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 11:33 |
timothy leary wrote:
And Jewish slaughter is worse. In my opinion. I have determined it with my brain. This is perhaps what you should have said in the first place. |
Frankly, I don't see it worse than the slaughter of some farm animals, be it a rooster or a pig. In order to make blood sausages, it was usual to bleed the pig when alive. You wouldn't like to hear the screams of a pig.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 11:24 |
timothy leary wrote:
And I will respond however I want., whenever I want, my brain tells me I can. |
Seriously, why are you on this site? Why you being such a dick?
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 11:22 |
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