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Xonty ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 23 2013 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
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Saw this poll ages ago, and just stumbled on it again. Neutral Milk Hotel any day.
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Luna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 28 2010 Location: Funky Town Status: Offline Points: 12794 |
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Down Colorful Hill, pretty easily.
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4596 |
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mongofa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 26 2011 Location: Zanzibar Status: Offline Points: 410 |
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Dooooooooooolittle
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Eria Tarka ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 17 2011 Location: BC, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5856 |
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NMH
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kit-kat ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: March 03 2013 Status: Offline Points: 58 |
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indie has become kind of a useless term, but Funeral >> all
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infocat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 10 2011 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 4671 |
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I don't know many of these, but I vote for Turn On The Bright Lights - Interpol.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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What?
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1754 |
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DisgruntledPorcupine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2010 Location: Thunder Bay CAN Status: Offline Points: 4395 |
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I'm not taking anything personally. I just don't think it's fair to throw a bunch of artists not even in the genre into the mix.
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1754 |
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You're taking this personally. The poll's fine, I have no problem with the poll, and it's not a personal attack. I enjoy the poll. (I posted a poll myself recently about albums that were judged in an article to be the most key proto-prog albums of 1967. I posted the poll, but was open to criticism of the choices - I didn't make the choices, after all - and I was even critical myself about it.)
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DisgruntledPorcupine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2010 Location: Thunder Bay CAN Status: Offline Points: 4395 |
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I'm confused. What does any of the first paragraph have to do with this poll at all? ![]() And sure. That's your opinion. Run as far as you want with it. The poll remains the same.
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1754 |
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Again, I respectfully disagree. We're giving it labels now - assigning some bands to the trip-hop genre (even though when they came out, trip-hop didn't exist and wasn't a genre), calling another one ambient house (the Orb) and another acid (FSOL & Primal Scream) and another shoegaze (My Bloody Valentine) and another rave (the Prodigy) and another dream pop (Cocteau Twins) and triphop (Massive Attack) and big beat (Chemical Brothers) and post-rock (Mogwai) and IDM (Aphex Twin & Boards of Canada) even though those genres didn't exist either. And that's kind of my point. British alternative music exploded into various different directions, while their American counterparts all kind of did the same thing. Americans say, "Oh wait, that's not even rock, let alone indie rock." That's a deeply conservative attitude, and typically (mainstream) American. I stand by my thesis: British alternative music is far more varied and quickly to develop than American alternative music, which is much more conservative in comparison and slow to change. (Although I'm asking myself now whether perhaps the Internet's changed things a bit, made our worlds a bit more inter-connected and less place-bound? Edited by jude111 - April 01 2013 at 16:10 |
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DisgruntledPorcupine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2010 Location: Thunder Bay CAN Status: Offline Points: 4395 |
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Well, it's not just RYM, lots of what you named isn't even rock, let alone indie rock. Like The Orb, TFSoL, Portishead, Tricky, Massive Attack. I have nothing against your opinion, but please remember what genre we're speaking of here.
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1754 |
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I'm not really familiar with Rate Your Music...
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DisgruntledPorcupine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2010 Location: Thunder Bay CAN Status: Offline Points: 4395 |
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And there you go, it's barely different. Now let's please stop throwing around accusations of bias because your favourite bands aren't up there. |
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DisgruntledPorcupine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2010 Location: Thunder Bay CAN Status: Offline Points: 4395 |
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You do realize not one of these bands fall into the indie rock umbrella (except for a couple Smiths albums and SOME of the Britpop)... Lots of these aren't even ROCK.
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1754 |
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LOL
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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I too bailed on a PhD program. Ended up having kids and moving to the suburbs.
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1754 |
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My theory actually comes from two studies - one on linguistics (which looks at the morphology of spoken English in the US vs. England) and one on geography and political ideology. Linguistics studies show that there's greater variations and ranges of dialects in England in just a few square miles than there are in hundreds of miles in the US; and also, English has evolved much quicker in England, while it's very slow to change in the US. So at the linguistic level, the US is much more conservative. A research question would be: Might a greater phonological range and a faster rate of change & development correlate to a greater range of innovation, stylistic trends and faster developments within popular music? Some political geography studies on the other hand show how place determines politics - basically, if you live in the suburbs you're more likely to be conservative - even if you were formerly a liberal living in the city, that's likely to change when you move. The implication is that the de-urbanization of America has helped contribute to the country's swing to the right. Therefore it stands to reason that urban music is quicker to change and be innovative, while rural music will be more conservative, more resistant to change. (I'm an old-style Marxist: revolution comes from the urban industrial working class, not the suburban shopkeepers or farmers ![]() My theory is that the implications of these studies might have some implications for music as well. If I had done that PhD I might have developed this theory more... ![]() Edited by jude111 - April 01 2013 at 14:09 |
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