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Points: 20697 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2013 at 23:28
And after the last dozen or so posts I'm convinced that chamber prog doesn't exist except in the minds of a few proggers who have classificationitis..
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Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
NOOOOOO ... wait for CHAMBER FUNK! That would be more fun!

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Points: 2549 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2013 at 23:48
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And after the last dozen or so posts I'm convinced that chamber prog doesn't exist except in the minds of a few proggers who have classificationitis..
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I think he basically means progressive rock that incorporates the instrumentation of classical chamber music.  Seems like a valid classification to me.  Doesn't mean we make it an official sub-genre on the site, but it's interesting enough as a topic of discussion.

By the way, does anyone know of any bands that have a rock band + string quartet setup?  It seems like a logical way to arrange a "chamber rock" group; good balance between rock and classical instrumentation, enough players to incorporate several layers of complexity but not too big to handle.
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Points: 6451 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2013 at 06:29
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:


By the way, does anyone know of any bands that have a rock band + string quartet setup?

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Points: 6451 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2013 at 06:58
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

 
Wonderful album but Archaia are closer to Zeuhl than anything else.

Instrumentation is Guitar, Keys, Bass, Drums, Percussion, so not very Chamber.

Generally speaking, 'chamber rock/prog' has little emphasis on drumming or any kind of beat (Art Zoyd never had a fulltime drummer for example). That Archaia album is an oddity in Zeuhl as there is no actual drumming (except for the bonus tracks on the CD version). It's the closest thing to 'chamber funk' I could think of; it wasn't exactly a serious post or anything. 

No one has mentioned Godspeed You Black Emperor or the related A Silver Mt. Zion yet who sometimes fit the description. Basically, the term 'chamber rock/prog' refers to groups like early Art Zoyd/Univers Zero and/or more recent groups like Aranis, etc. 
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Hmm, UZ, being led by a drummer, doesn't seem to qualify there...
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Points: 460 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2013 at 16:20

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["Chamber Prog"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I hear it.  (apologies to US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart RIP)

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This is not Chamber Prog:
 
 
 
This is Chamber Prog:
 
 
 
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Points: 6451 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2013 at 17:53
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Hmm, UZ, being led by a drummer, doesn't seem to qualify there...

He also appears on some Art Zoyd albums too but he generally is not a time-keeper.
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2013 at 17:54
I've always seen Chamber Prog as being much closer to classical than most other prog with string and wood wind/brass sections being predominant. Drummers are far from mandatory, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Daniel Denis and Dave Kerman becoming leading lights in this style.
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Points: 460 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2013 at 19:21
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I've always seen Chamber Prog as being much closer to classical than most other prog with string and wood wind/brass sections being predominant. Drummers are far from mandatory, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Daniel Denis and Dave Kerman becoming leading lights in this style.


Chamber Prog will not have a Carl Palmer or Jon Hiseman on the kit, at least, not yet Prog being Prog....who knows?

This Estradashere piece shows the drummer adding appropriate flourishes and blending in with the other musicians quite nicely leading up to the gong signaling the conclusion:



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when the prog folk team was considering North Sea Radio Orchestra, we thought of the need for a chamber prog category.  But their "I a Moon" album incorporated enough folk that it was a go for us.  I think we have come across other bands that could have fit in here.  The problem is that every sub genre can have a "chamber" chamber  Shocked
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

when the prog folk team was considering North Sea Radio Orchestra, we thought of the need for a chamber prog category.  But their "I a Moon" album incorporated enough folk that it was a go for us.  I think we have come across other bands that could have fit in here.  The problem is that every sub genre can have a "chamber" chamber  Shocked



Yes, even Crimson's "I Talk to the Wind" could be considered Chamber Prog.

I do enjoy the small chamber orchestra instrumentation augmenting guitar, bass, drum and keys very much, but, it is a lot of fun discussing all of this and finding new music that way, rather than having a category.

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Points: 18565 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2013 at 00:49
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

This is not Chamber Prog:
 
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This is Chamber Prog:
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It's like saying one can be amplified and one can't.

I'm not sure that is a good justification for a definition these days. DSO, for me, is more of a satire on things and a throw back to the 20's and 30's in music (put on Pasadena Roof Orchestra!), than anything else for my ears, at least in that one piece.

Fun stuff to listen to, but I honestly do not see anything actually "progressive" about either of these. But they are fun to listen to and enjoy.
 
Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks were far more entertaining and progressive than any of these! Of course, I was really ripped at the time, though!


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Points: 112 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2013 at 05:36
Penguin Cafe is so cute... But I never thought prog of them...
Oh, and I recognize this perpetuum mobile! A bank used on a tv commercial!

Another stuff, do you know where can I download some Estradasphere music?
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Points: 460 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2013 at 10:38
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

This is not Chamber Prog:
 
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This is Chamber Prog:
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It's like saying one can be amplified and one can't.

I'm not sure that is a good justification for a definition these days. DSO, for me, is more of a satire on things and a throw back to the 20's and 30's in music (put on Pasadena Roof Orchestra!), than anything else for my ears, at least in that one piece.

Fun stuff to listen to, but I honestly do not see anything actually "progressive" about either of these. But they are fun to listen to and enjoy.
 
Chamber Prog can be acoustic or amplified. I do not believe in limiting music with such restrictions. Approve
 
Regarding amplified Chamber Prog....I did listen to the Terje Rypdal "Eos" album you suggested and like most of it. Beer 
 
DSO....are, hopefully, making money with their music and surviving and growing successfully. They have an interesting sound, not Prog as such as Opeth or Riverside, but fun and prog enough.
 
Penguin Cafe Orchestra....I wish Simon was still around. By giving PCO a listing here at PA they were able to reach a bigger audience. They aren't Prog like Yes or King Crimson, but, imho, they are Prog enough to have a home here at PA.
 
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Originally posted by I-Juca Pirama I-Juca Pirama wrote:

Penguin Cafe is so cute... But I never thought prog of them...
Oh, and I recognize this perpetuum mobile! A bank used on a tv commercial!

Another stuff, do you know where can I download some Estradasphere music?
 
Back in 2011 a group called Avicii sampled "Perpetuum Mobile" and had a hit with the teenage audience in a song called "Fade into Darkness".  It's on Youtube if you want to hear it.
 
Estradasphere has Myspace, Facebook and lastfm pages, so, you may want to look them up to hear more.
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Points: 112 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2013 at 15:34
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Originally posted by I-Juca Pirama I-Juca Pirama wrote:

Penguin Cafe is so cute... But I never thought prog of them...
Oh, and I recognize this perpetuum mobile! A bank used on a tv commercial!

Another stuff, do you know where can I download some Estradasphere music?
 
Back in 2011 a group called Avicii sampled "Perpetuum Mobile" and had a hit with the teenage audience in a song called "Fade into Darkness".  It's on Youtube if you want to hear it.
 
Estradasphere has Myspace, Facebook and lastfm pages, so, you may want to look them up to hear more.

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Points: 460 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2013 at 11:48
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

when the prog folk team was considering North Sea Radio Orchestra, we thought of the need for a chamber prog category.  But their "I a Moon" album incorporated enough folk that it was a go for us.  I think we have come across other bands that could have fit in here.  The problem is that every sub genre can have a "chamber" chamber  Shocked



North Sea Radio Orchestra....very, very nice stuff. Thanks.


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Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

when the prog folk team was considering North Sea Radio Orchestra, we thought of the need for a chamber prog category.  But their "I a Moon" album incorporated enough folk that it was a go for us.  I think we have come across other bands that could have fit in here.  The problem is that every sub genre can have a "chamber" chamber  Shocked



North Sea Radio Orchestra....very, very nice stuff. Thanks.




Very good band, big fan. I think of them as modern folk more than anything else.
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