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Posted: December 24 2013 at 19:51
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Man With Hat wrote:
Forgive my pedanticness.
Forgive my pedantry, but the word you're looking for is pedantry.
I make up my words, thanks anyway.
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Posted: December 24 2013 at 10:12
When I think Chamber Rock I usually think the sub-sub-genre of RIO started by bands like Univers Zero and Art Zoyd that now includes Present, Aranis, Yugen, Rational Diet and its splinter bands Archestra, Five Story Ensemble, etc...this topic seems to be a bit broader in its definition though so I'm just gonna toss this Japanese gem in here, really fantastic stuff and I think easily fits with the music in this topic:
Xylophone, piano, violin, and a surprising vocalist
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Posted: December 24 2013 at 09:56
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... I assume you are referencing the "I Talk to the Wind" video. The melancholy of the song is timeless and beautiful. I thought the video shed light on the majestic music that is part of the whole creation.
I'm not criticizing the video, which is beautiful. But it would go better with David Parsons music about/on the Himalayas, for example. Or Guy and I on top of Gibraltar Peak in Santa Barbara, listening to a tape of Space Pirate Radio at midnight and hearing the wind hitting the sides of the mountains with a thud and roll .... something magickal that we do not understand or see or hear very well at all.
While it is important to illuminate people's visions, realizing they are different is the most important part.
The song itself was written as part of a reaction to a time and place that a lot of other music was all over it, except top ten and grossly out of it pop music, and bubble gum sh*t. What I hate to see, is the visual turn this song into some sort of new age bubble gum wrap for your children ,,, and ignore history.
I'm a writer. As much as the "intent" is not what I write for, I write what I see, and you end up creating/inventing "intents" in it, that I never EVER even thought or considered, I tend to think that it is really tough ... and difficult on the inside, when someone steals your vision to create something else. I guess you could say I don't like it, but I better start saying that the "vision" is not "mine" ... it's universal! The inevitable "City of Lost Children" ... how appropriate it is for today's view on things!
It was also important as a song for me, that it was discussing "listening" and "hearing" each other and it was doing so in a very peaceful and quiet way ... which was totally counter what was happening outside! When you add up all that stuff, the song is a lot better and stronger than we even considered or thought.
But, please, do not let it take away from that video. But I would have liked to see that video done with David Parsons work instead!
Edited by moshkito - December 24 2013 at 09:59
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Posted: December 24 2013 at 00:03
moshkito wrote:
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Sad to see this in so many ways.
It's ahrd for us to accept the meaning of that album when it came out, when we see this, and the song is about communication and not be heard, and it was an anti-establishment thing at the time, with folks not listening, and sending out cops instead to bang people's heads, either at Hyde Park or in Chicago or the streets in LA.
For me this is sad. I do NOT want to idolize a bad situation, that didn't get better, specially as all the sh*t got stuck under the carpet instead, other than the IRA which I suppose we could say that things are better now than they were before when even U2 was singing about it.
The song is about a whisper, or a breeze that passes by you ... what does it mean to you?
Nothing? Something? Did you acknowledge it? Do you care? ... and that visual is nice and pretty ... but it distorts the reality grossly! And it TAKES AWAY THE 3RD DIMENTION THAT MAKES THE MUSIC BETTER AND MORE VALUABLE!
It might add something else to it, but it's hard to believe that an idea will suplant the truth anytime soon! Even hundreds of years later. We still know that Symphony was written for her and she walked out the door without caring.
I assume you are referencing the "I Talk to the Wind" video. The melancholy of the song is timeless and beautiful. I thought the video shed light on the majestic music that is part of the whole creation.
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Posted: December 23 2013 at 08:54
schizoidman wrote:
...
The video ...
Sad to see this in so many ways.
It's ahrd for us to accept the meaning of that album when it came out, when we see this, and the song is about communication and not be heard, and it was an anti-establishment thing at the time, with folks not listening, and sending out cops instead to bang people's heads, either at Hyde Park or in Chicago or the streets in LA.
For me this is sad. I do NOT want to idolize a bad situation, that didn't get better, specially as all the sh*t got stuck under the carpet instead, other than the IRA which I suppose we could say that things are better now than they were before when even U2 was singing about it.
The song is about a whisper, or a breeze that passes by you ... what does it mean to you?
Nothing? Something? Did you acknowledge it? Do you care? ... and that visual is nice and pretty ... but it distorts the reality grossly! And it TAKES AWAY THE 3RD DIMENTION THAT MAKES THE MUSIC BETTER AND MORE VALUABLE!
It might add something else to it, but it's hard to believe that an idea will suplant the truth anytime soon! Even hundreds of years later. We still know that Symphony was written for her and she walked out the door without caring.
Edited by moshkito - December 24 2013 at 09:45
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Posted: December 22 2013 at 12:34
Man With Hat wrote:
It seems like this more about progressive chamber music (or just chamber music) than chamber prog-rock.
Which isn't a complaint/a bad thing...just an observation.
Forgive my pedanticness.
I do believe there are important distinctions between progressive chamber music, progressive chamber rock and progressive rock. They are all sub categories of progressive music.
I will attempt to list the archetypal group for each sub category.
Progressive chamber music: Penguin Café Orchestra
Progressive chamber rock: Univers Zero or Art Zoyd
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Posted: December 22 2013 at 11:49
The problem I've seen here at PA is that if the music does not contain an element of "rock" in it (drum and bass rhythm sections, electrified instruments, ABACAB song constructs, etc., etc.) it generally gets rejected (e.g., Five-Storey Ensemble, Kronos Quartet, Mediaevel Baebes). However, since I've been a member I've seen more and more "rock" and "classic rock" or "prog fringe" bands being allowed in (Led Zeppelin, Queen, Bjork, etc.), I do not see why the Admin Team can't start bending more to the other side of prog--i.e. the more classical- and jazz-oriented fringes of prog--like "Chamber Prog" or "Neoclasical dark wave" or just neoclassical.
Shout out to incredible Neoclassical/Chamber Prog bands Cicada (Taiwan), After Crying (Hungary), Five-Storey Ensemble (Belarus), and new AltrOck Francesco Zago/Paolo Botta/Elaine Di Falco project, Empty Days (Italia).
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Posted: December 22 2013 at 00:09
It seems like this more about progressive chamber music (or just chamber music) than chamber prog-rock.
Which isn't a complaint/a bad thing...just an observation.
Forgive my pedanticness.
Edited by Man With Hat - December 22 2013 at 00:09
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Posted: December 21 2013 at 11:51
schizoidman wrote:
kenethlevine wrote:
when the prog folk team was considering North Sea Radio Orchestra, we thought of the need for a chamber prog category. But their "I a Moon" album incorporated enough folk that it was a go for us. I think we have come across other bands that could have fit in here. The problem is that every sub genre can have a "chamber" chamber
North Sea Radio Orchestra....very, very nice stuff. Thanks.
Very good band, big fan. I think of them as modern folk more than anything else.
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Posted: December 21 2013 at 11:48
kenethlevine wrote:
when the prog folk team was considering North Sea Radio Orchestra, we thought of the need for a chamber prog category. But their "I a Moon" album incorporated enough folk that it was a go for us. I think we have come across other bands that could have fit in here. The problem is that every sub genre can have a "chamber" chamber
North Sea Radio Orchestra....very, very nice stuff. Thanks.
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Posted: December 19 2013 at 15:34
schizoidman wrote:
I-Juca Pirama wrote:
Penguin Cafe is so cute... But I never thought prog of them...
Oh, and I recognize this perpetuum mobile! A bank used on a tv commercial!
Another stuff, do you know where can I download some Estradasphere music?
Back in 2011 a group called Avicii sampled "Perpetuum Mobile" and had a hit with the teenage audience in a song called "Fade into Darkness". It's on Youtube if you want to hear it.
Estradasphere has Myspace, Facebook and lastfm pages, so, you may want to look them up to hear more.
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Posted: December 19 2013 at 10:56
I-Juca Pirama wrote:
Penguin Cafe is so cute... But I never thought prog of them...
Oh, and I recognize this perpetuum mobile! A bank used on a tv commercial!
Another stuff, do you know where can I download some Estradasphere music?
Back in 2011 a group called Avicii sampled "Perpetuum Mobile" and had a hit with the teenage audience in a song called "Fade into Darkness". It's on Youtube if you want to hear it.
Estradasphere has Myspace, Facebook and lastfm pages, so, you may want to look them up to hear more.
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