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    Posted: January 11 2014 at 19:55

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Once again, I'll be making an open confession for a subgenre I have yet to explore much of. This edition: RIO/Avant Prog. I know very little about this subgenre, except that its component parts are all wildly different from each other in a variety of ways. Keeping that in mind, I'm sure that somewhere within this nebulous group of musicians, I'm guaranteed to find something that'll pique my interest and likely fit into my tastes.

I tend to prefer groups with strong, well-developed melodies combined with a healthy sense of variety, focus, and drive. A bit of an edge doesn't hurt either, but more in the sense of sonic texture and not necessarily grating harmonies. Free atonality really doesn't work for me, nor does minimalism. I've referenced a few of these groups in past topics I've made, but the ones that represent my preferences the most include VDGG, Wetton-era KC, Opeth, Discipline, and Riverside.

Thank you all so much again! I definitely appreciate all the suggestions, and am really eager to read your choices and why you think the groups you pick are special. Thumbs Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2014 at 19:59
As far as bands that aren't as dissonant go, try Univers Zero, Art Bears, Samlas Mammas Manna, Cardiacs, Miriodor, MiRthon, Hoyry-Kone, maybe Guapo or Kayo Dot.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2014 at 20:17
Check out Secret Chiefs 3, they have some great folk influences and are very melodic. Of course I say that and it's true but only part of the time. Secret Chiefs 3 is basically 7 bands. (Check out Book of Secrets and you'll know exactly what I mean).

If you like melodic stuff, Chamber Rock is probably the portion of RIO that you would like best. Univers Zero and Art Zoyd are the obvious starting points, but Present is great on the rockier side, Aranis is great on the more classical side, Rational Diet and its two splinter bands The Archestra and Five Storey Ensemble on the more chaotic side, Yugen on the just-reaching-the-brink of losing control and reigning it in side, and other bands like Pikapika Teart, Breznev Fun Club, DAAU, etc...

Also, I must must MUST mention Alec K. Redfearn and the Eyesores for their wonderful melodies and folk-twinged accordion lead music. Look up the song "The Night It Rained Glass on Union Street" on youtube to get a good idea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2014 at 20:19
i recommend everything by Univers Zero. My favorite rio album is Generations Sans Fur by Art Zoyd, takes a while to appreciate though. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2014 at 20:24
Ok this is going to be fun. A bit of an edge will be easy but avoiding grating harmonies and atonality will be a bit harder :)

This is my essential must listen list:-

Henry Cow - In Praise Of Learning - technically complex with no compromise with Dagmar in full throat, if she's not to your taste try Western Culture which is my personal favorite
Univers Zero - Ceux Du Dehors - The dark end of the Chamber Rock pool, this is melodious and moody in spades, their whole catalog is phenomenal, the bassoon is featured heavily.
Cardiacs - On Land & In The Sea - This is punk prog at it's best, high energy, lyrically complex, punch you in the face nuts, this is what punk is when played by musicians.
Alamaailman Vasarat - Huuro Kolkko - Finish heavy band play instrumental metal using trombone, sax & cellos.
Uz Jsme Doma - Caves Another punky prog band high energy shouty vocals, folk influence, metal touches.
Vezhlivy Otkaz - Geese & Swans - Russian Folky underground band with jazzy classical arrangements
Thinking Plague - In Extremis - Guitar led with angular vocals about dark subject matter, complex arrangements that rock
Present - Triskadekaphobia - Univers Zero's electric focus brother, angular dissonant and soul crushing.
Secret Chiefs 3 - Book Of Horizons - Metal instrumental with a Middle Eastern aesthetic
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Of Natural History Avant Metal with some cookie monster vocals but high concept and wonderful tunes.
Guapo - 5 Suns - Heavy zeuhlish tendencies with crushing heaviness.

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - January 11 2014 at 20:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2014 at 20:40
There is such a wide variety of music in that sub, even one artist's discography can be all over the place. Lots of good ones mentioned already. Here's a few examples (but don't expect every song/album to be similar):
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 11:20
 
I agree that Univers Zero and Art Zoyd would probably be two RIO groups whose music you would enjoy.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 12:02
Here's a few more suggestions:
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 12:09
Start with Leg End if you want to check out Henry Cow.  In Praise of Learning might be a bit rough for a newcomer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 12:12
Check: John Zorn's Naked CItyFrench TV's Violence of The Amateurs  and Zappa's Civilization Phaze III (my top3 )
It's a great way to start into the best progressive sub :3


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 19:04
All these look like awesome suggestions. Thank so much everyone! Once I get a chance to sit down and give them an earnest aural dissection, I'll let you all know that I think! Many thanks to all you wonderful people Thumbs Up And if there are any more, don't be shy! All are definitely appreciated. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 19:23
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic Neo-Romantic wrote:

All these look like awesome suggestions. Thank so much everyone! Once I get a chance to sit down and give them an earnest aural dissection, I'll let you all know that I think! Many thanks to all you wonderful people Thumbs Up And if there are any more, don't be shy! All are definitely appreciated. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 23:18
Some RIO/avant prog is out there and can be difficult to get into but Hot Rats by Zappa is very accessible yet edgy.
I also like Uzed by Univers Zero, French TV-Violence..., Henry Cow-Legend, and Clear Spot by Beefheart
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2014 at 23:39
Unvers Zero and Art Zoyd are really the ones you'd better to start from.

I also appreciate Norwegian band Shining very much, especially their 'Grindstone' (2007) and 'Blackjazz' (2010). Those guys did a really unusual journey from jazz to post rock to black metal to indie rock.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2014 at 21:17
So I'm previewing Uzed by Univers Zero now, and I mush say, I'm really digging this! There's some powerful music here that really appeals to my appreciation for well-constructed, driving music. Definitely going high on the "to buy" list! Thank again everyone Thumbs Up I'll be sure to give the others a listen too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2014 at 07:09

mmm…you’re talking my oevre! I have VDGG and Wetton-era KC in my DNA and I humbly suggest that you already have some understanding of RIO/Avant because I would say that those two titans fit that label (as much as any other such band might).

 

That aside…

 

I think if you are likely to come across some “grating harmonies” and / or “free atonality” in such an experimental field but anyhoo…

 

Like others here, I really enjoy Guapo, Secret Chiefs and Mr Bungle but…

 

If I was to try to score two direct hits given your OP, I would definitely recommend you give a serious listen to both Thinking Plague (think VDGG with a female vocalist) and Gosta Berlings Saga (think a more fluid instrumental KC), if you have not already done so. All of their albums are, to my ears, superb, but if you want a nudge, try TP’s “Decline and Fall” and Gosta’s “Detta har hant”. I shall be listening to these artists all my days I think. Their creativity, originality and sheer musicality make them the modern equivalents of VDGG and primetime KC, for me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2014 at 10:25
Just learned about these guys....nice stuff..
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2014 at 10:45
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Uz Jsme Doma - Caves Another punky prog band high energy shouty vocals, folk influence, metal touches. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2014 at 13:35
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ok this is going to be fun. A bit of an edge will be easy but avoiding grating harmonies and atonality will be a bit harder :)

This is my essential must listen list:-



I would go on that list (above), and add to this Alek Redfrain, Charming hostess and U-Totem. Maybe even 5UU's hunger teeth? Aranis?

problem is with that recommandation threads that it end up with dosen of recommandations that no one can really digest   
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